Who Should V. Shevchenko face for the vacated title?

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: John8204
Date: September 08, 2018 at 09:47 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-should-v-shevchenko-face-for-the-vacated-title.72891/

Valentina Shevchenko will be fighting for the women's flyweight title but against who?
The Seven candidates....
1.
Katlyn Chookagian
- Katlyn is Fight Matrix's #2 ranked flyweight, she's 11-1 coming off a victory over Alexis Davis. Only problem she's 5-1 in the UFC and every fight has been either on prelims or fightpass.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katlyn_Chookagian
2.
Sijara Eubanks
- Should have fought for the inaugural title Eubanks is currently behind V. Shevchenko sitting at #2 in the UFC rankings. Problems, she missed weight for her title fight and she has an official record of 3-2
3.
Roxanne Modafferi
- The person Nico beat for the title Roxanne is one of the more marketable and popular fighters in the division, she's the last person to defeat an Invicta Flyweight champion in Barb Honchak and she's an established name that has been around forever. Problem...well she'll likely lose badly and the spread will be worse than the Montano/Shevchenko spread.
4.
Liz Carmouche
- Liz beat the current Invicta Flyweight champion Jennifer Maia and Katlyn Chookagian she also fought Ronda Rousey for the inagural BW championship which helped launch the womens fight movement. Problems well her UFC record isn't that great (4-4) and she hasn't really been promoted that well, the Maia fight was buried on Fight Pass.
5.
Joanna Jędrzejczyk
- Likely the only female main eventer in the roster if Joanna were to step up this should end up as a PPV main, also unlike the other four fights Joanna can sell the fight. Problems well she has to leave her division and go right into a fight camp to prep for this fight and she hasn't looked that great since moving to ATT.
6.
Rose Namajunas
- Super fights are the rage and the UFC would love for Thug Rose to carry two titles and Shevchenko might not try and murder her training partner. Problems well she's not healthy in the body or mind right now and she trains with Shevchenko so this one is likely a long shot.
7.
Antonina Shevchenko
- The UFC just brought in a 7-0 blue chip prospect fighter in Antonina Shevchenko, they've already booked her against a top ten opponent and she's the sister of Valenina. And unlike those Diaz bitches these two are competing in the same division and should be willing to face each other. Problem....would the UFC actually book family members against each other

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Haraldr
Date: September 08, 2018 at 10:11 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-should-v-shevchenko-face-for-the-vacated-title.72891/

You should give up on Fight Matrix, it's just some kid and his moronic computer program that makes those rankings, it makes you look ignorant when you reference them. They have Porier as the number 1 ranked lightweight for fucks sake.
It's best to keep updated on a few sites i find, Junkie & Sherdog still keep decent rankings, Okamoto's are alright. To keep updates on several sites is really the only way to get a conses from qualified people.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: BlairBones
Date: September 08, 2018 at 10:11 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-should-v-shevchenko-face-for-the-vacated-title.72891/

Joanna makes sense to me. There is no one clearly at the front of the line. I think Chookagian should fight Modaferri or Eubanks-Eye winner to help create a clear no.1.
Joanna -Shev makes sense. There is a history. Both are moving from respective divisions after failed title fights. Shev beat the f--- out of that can to get a 125 fight in. It's essentially an inaugural title fight and makes sense because both are demonstrated championship calibre fighters.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: TheREALOmoPlata
Date: September 08, 2018 at 10:38 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-should-v-shevchenko-face-for-the-vacated-title.72891/

Have her fight Carmouce for the belt.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: John8204
Date: September 08, 2018 at 10:52 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-should-v-shevchenko-face-for-the-vacated-title.72891/

Haraldr said:
You should give up on Fight Matrix, it's just some kid and his moronic computer program that makes those rankings, it makes you look ignorant when you reference them.
They have Porier as the number 1 ranked lightweight for fucks sake.
It's best to keep updated on a few sites i find, Junkie & Sherdog still keep decent rankings, Okamoto's are alright. To keep updates on several sites is really the only way to get a conses from qualified people.
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I don't have an issue with his moronic computer program, it's an algorithm and it's an effective tool. They also go more in depth than the other ranking sites that stop at 10-15-25. The job of Fight Matrix is to take that information and then process it, having the #3 LW ranked at #1 doesn't really seem like that big of a deal to me. Finally I didn't use it as the
only metric
for this list the five women I listed are ranked Chookagian(2), Carmouche(3), Eubanks(7), Modafferi(12), A. Shevchenko(30). Had you not quit reading after the first line you likely would have seen that.
Win streaks (I eliminated all fighters coming off loses)
UFC Rankings (Eubanks)
Fight Matrix/Divisional Record (Chookagian)
P4p (Namajunis)
Title History (Modafferi)
Head to Head (Carmouche)
Box Office (Joanna)
Media Attention (A. Shevchenko)

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Haraldr
Date: September 08, 2018 at 11:06 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-should-v-shevchenko-face-for-the-vacated-title.72891/

John8204 said:
I don't have an issue with his moronic computer program, it's an algorithm and it's an effective tool. They also go more in depth than the other ranking sites that stop at 10-15-25. The job of Fight Matrix is to take that information and then process it, having the #3 LW ranked at #1 doesn't really seem like that big of a deal to me. Finally I didn't use it as the
only metric
for this list the five women I listed are ranked Chookagian(2), Carmouche(3), Eubanks(7), Modafferi(12), A. Shevchenko(30). Had you not quit reading after the first line you likely would have seen that.
Win streaks (I eliminated all fighters coming off loses)
UFC Rankings (Eubanks)
Fight Matrix/Divisional Record (Chookagian)
P4p (Namajunis)
Title History (Modafferi)
Head to Head (Carmouche)
Box Office (Joanna)
Media Attention (A. Shevchenko)
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Everyone quits reading after the first line in your threads. Having Poirier is a big deal if you take rankings serious and is an example on why computer programs don't work with combat rankings, it's been tried many times but this ain't chess, they don't fight 30 times during the year so the systems they design can't calculate properly with the lack of regular data. But fine, if you wanna use fight matrix and bj penn.com as your sources go ahead, but there is a reason why people don't take you seriously when you don't put value into what you say.
Don't you see the absurd nature of listing Shevchenko as rank 30, or your "metrics"? you should take a course in methodology, your mind would explode.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: TheREALOmoPlata
Date: September 08, 2018 at 11:19 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-should-v-shevchenko-face-for-the-vacated-title.72891/

Sherdog still has pretty good rankings. They like to toss in non ufc fighters a bit much but whatever

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: John8204
Date: September 08, 2018 at 11:23 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-should-v-shevchenko-face-for-the-vacated-title.72891/

Haraldr said:
Everyone quits reading after the first line in your threads. Having Poirier is a big deal if you take rankings serious and is an example on why computer programs don't work with combat rankings, it's been tried many times but this ain't chess, they don't fight 30 times during the year so the systems they design can't calculate properly with the lack of regular data. But fine, if you wanna use fight matrix and bj penn.com as your sources go ahead, but there is a reason why people don't take you seriously when you don't put value into what you say.
Don't you see the absurd nature of listing Shevchenko as rank 30, or your "metrics"? you should take a course in methodology, your mind would explode.
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Screw you man, you speak for everyone what an ego on you. All you do is ape off the work of others you have no opinion on this topic so you decide to pick out something small and turn it into a series of personal attacks. People like you are the reason this forum is dying you have no interest in discussing MMA you just show up here to fill out some empty part of your miserable life. I shouldn't have even had to start this thread, it should have been put up immediately but I guess people are to scared of bully's like you who just s--- on the work of people that care.
Also it's Antonia Shevchenko who 7-0 not Valentina who is ranked 30, if she wins her fight in the UFC she'll be ranked 10th. You wouldn't know that because I doubt you even follow the sport.
Enjoy the attention that you so desperately need and go to hell. Though it wasn't in the first line so you won't read this.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Jak
Date: September 08, 2018 at 11:48 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-should-v-shevchenko-face-for-the-vacated-title.72891/

Why fight anyone. UFC should just give her the title like they did Cyborg and than she can sit out a year or fight cans to keep said title.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ChaosGod
Date: September 08, 2018 at 12:30 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-should-v-shevchenko-face-for-the-vacated-title.72891/

Based off the way the ufc does things it should be roxanne when gsp vacated the ww belt Hendricks got a title shot despite losing. When Bones was stripped DC who he just beat got a shot. Same thing here. Though if UFC goes with say Johanna or Rose which I doubt but could happen then on that same card I would go for Roxanne/Katlyn for the clear number one contender to that belt.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: BigSexyVreeland
Date: September 08, 2018 at 01:36 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-should-v-shevchenko-face-for-the-vacated-title.72891/

Haraldr said:
Everyone quits reading after the first line in your threads. Having Poirier is a big deal if you take rankings serious and is an example on why computer programs don't work with combat rankings, it's been tried many times but this ain't chess, they don't fight 30 times during the year so the systems they design can't calculate properly with the lack of regular data. But fine, if you wanna use fight matrix and bj penn.com as your sources go ahead, but there is a reason why people don't take you seriously when you don't put value into what you say.
Don't you see the absurd nature of listing Shevchenko as rank 30, or your "metrics"? you should take a course in methodology, your mind would explode.
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This. And I rarely agree with Haraldr

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Haraldr
Date: September 08, 2018 at 02:05 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-should-v-shevchenko-face-for-the-vacated-title.72891/

John8204 said:
Screw you man, you speak for everyone what an ego on you. All you do is ape off the work of others you have no opinion on this topic so you decide to pick out something small and turn it into a series of personal attacks. People like you are the reason this forum is dying you have no interest in discussing MMA you just show up here to fill out some empty part of your miserable life. I shouldn't have even had to start this thread, it should have been put up immediately but I guess people are to scared of bully's like you who just s--- on the work of people that care.
Also it's Antonia Shevchenko who 7-0 not Valentina who is ranked 30, if she wins her fight in the UFC she'll be ranked 10th. You wouldn't know that because I doubt you even follow the sport.
Enjoy the attention that you so desperately need and go to hell. Though it wasn't in the first line so you won't read this.
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I didn't know you took a critique of Fight Matrix as a personal attack.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: John8204
Date: September 08, 2018 at 02:08 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-should-v-shevchenko-face-for-the-vacated-title.72891/

BigSexyVreeland said:
This. And I rarely agree with Haraldr
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You can go to hell to
You haven't contributed a thread in this forum in 10 months
http://forum.mmajunkie.com/forum/search/42520371/
And Haradlr's last thread was about what a fighting was wearing
http://forum.mmajunkie.com/forum/search/42520390/
Their was zero reason for either one of you to come into this thread other than to b----, troll and insult, because god knows neither one of you is capable of having an opinion over who should fight for a title.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Haraldr
Date: September 08, 2018 at 02:13 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-should-v-shevchenko-face-for-the-vacated-title.72891/

John8204 said:
You can go to hell to
You haven't contributed a thread in this forum in 10 months
http://forum.mmajunkie.com/forum/search/42520371/
And Haradlr's last thread was about what a fighting was wearing
http://forum.mmajunkie.com/forum/search/42520390/
Their was zero reason for either one of you to come into this thread other than to b----, troll and insult, because god knows neither one of you is capable of having an opinion over who should fight for a title.
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Chill out john, it's a forum, not the end of the world
And that flyweight title is a joke, so it's only fair that we treat it as a joke, it's social justice

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Haraldr
Date: September 08, 2018 at 02:16 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-should-v-shevchenko-face-for-the-vacated-title.72891/

I mean, when you win a championship belt on a reality show you know it's not worth much. Might as well play rock, paper, scissor over who's the 125 womens champion at this point

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: John8204
Date: September 08, 2018 at 02:16 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-should-v-shevchenko-face-for-the-vacated-title.72891/

I didn't know you took a critique of Fight Matrix as a personal attack.
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Haraldr said:
You should give up on Fight Matrix, it's just some kid and his moronic computer program that makes those rankings, it makes you look ignorant when you reference them.
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Haraldr said:
Everyone quits reading after the first line in your threads.
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But fine, if you wanna use fight matrix and bj penn.com as your sources go ahead, but there is a reason why people don't take you seriously when you don't put value into what you say.
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I take it as a personal insult when I create a thread wait 12 hours for someone else to make a thread have someone like you come in, just read the first line, offer nothing to the subject matter and throw out a bunch of insults. It's disrespectful it's obnoxious and it's bullying go to Offtopic and make your stupid nerd threads and let other people discuss an actual issue because we know you have nothing of value to add in any conversation.
All you are is here for attention and I'm done giving it to you.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Haraldr
Date: September 08, 2018 at 02:26 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-should-v-shevchenko-face-for-the-vacated-title.72891/

John8204 said:
I take it as a personal insult when I create a thread wait 12 hours for someone else to make a thread have someone like you come in, just read the first line, offer nothing to the subject matter and throw out a bunch of insults. It's disrespectful it's obnoxious and it's bullying go to Offtopic and make your stupid nerd threads and let other people discuss an actual issue because we know you have nothing of value to add in any conversation.
All you are is here for attention and I'm done giving it to you.
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To be fair, i did read all the way down to the third line. Until fight matrix came into the picture.
But what a f--- am i supposed to do? i spent so much time making stupid nerd threads in the off-topic section but the mods just delete them!! I had this incredible babes thread, but it was closed with no warning or due reason, it's like communist china the mods just do what they want without any thought of the hard work it takes to make a thread and fill it with whores.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: TheREALOmoPlata
Date: September 08, 2018 at 02:40 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-should-v-shevchenko-face-for-the-vacated-title.72891/

ChaosGod said:
Based off the way the ufc does things it should be roxanne when gsp vacated the ww belt Hendricks got a title shot despite losing. When Bones was stripped DC who he just beat got a shot. Same thing here. Though if UFC goes with say Johanna or Rose which I doubt but could happen then on that same card I would go for Roxanne/Katlyn for the clear number one contender to that belt.
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Roxanne seems like a nice person, i don't want to see her die in the cage...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: TheREALOmoPlata
Date: September 08, 2018 at 02:41 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-should-v-shevchenko-face-for-the-vacated-title.72891/

John8204 said:
I take it as a personal insult when I create a thread wait 12 hours for someone else to make a thread have someone like you come in, just read the first line, offer nothing to the subject matter and throw out a bunch of insults. It's disrespectful it's obnoxious and it's bullying go to Offtopic and make your stupid nerd threads and let other people discuss an actual issue because we know you have nothing of value to add in any conversation.
All you are is here for attention and I'm done giving it to you.
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Your threads are well thought out and well appreciated John. Don't let miserable people bum you out man.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: YukonCornelius
Date: September 08, 2018 at 02:57 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-should-v-shevchenko-face-for-the-vacated-title.72891/

There should be a tournament for the top contender spot. Thats the only way the UFC can resolve this sh*t show.
THANK GOD Bullet didn't get a chance to rearrange Nicco's cutie pie face. lol