Who was/is The best 155lber of all time?

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Originally posted by: GOODNIGHTIRENE
Date: February 17, 2011 at 04:16 PM
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i apologize if there has been a similar thread and if there is merge it........
i was wondering who everyone thinks the best LW of all time was?
what do you guys think the top 3 of all time were???.....mine would have to go
1.Bj Penn
2.Takanori Gomi
3.Jens Pulver
 
Originally posted by: frontstreet
Date: February 17, 2011 at 04:21 PM
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The best 155er of all time in MMA is not BJ Penn.
It's a tie between Frankie Edgar (the man who actually beat BJ Penn twice, decisively) and Jens Pulver (the man who took out Penn in his prime).
It doesn't matter to me though if it's a tie, because I know Gray Maynard will quickly overtake their spots after he proves he was robbed against Edgar, and already beat Edgar decisively, at UFC 130 when he knocks him out in the first round. He caught him easily last time, but he gassed.
Gray has been the best since the TUF Finale, in my opinion. Now he's finally coming on and I can see the greatest 155er in the making.
Saying Takanori Gomi or BJ Penn are the greatest 155ers of all time next to Pulver and Edgar is like saying...The Black Eyed Peas are bigger than The Beatles.
 
Originally posted by: darcebandit
Date: February 17, 2011 at 04:23 PM
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Frankie Edgar
WAR EDGAR!!!!
biased opinion
 
Originally posted by: moparjr
Date: February 17, 2011 at 04:32 PM
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Mac "the vegan" Danzig
 
Originally posted by: darcebandit
Date: February 17, 2011 at 04:33 PM
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In all seriousness though its probably BJ Penn.
He beat Ludwig, Gomi, Uno, Hughes(twice), brought GSP and Machida to decisions. He beat two Gracies also, thats a huge accomplishment, only Sakuraba has done the same I think?. He decimated Stevenson and Sanchez and had a good performance vs Florian. No other lightweight could have done that IMO.
The guy is a natural born killer. When Penn is motivated, confident and has trained hard then consider yourself f---ed.
Putting Pulver or Gomi in the mix is stupid as Penn beat both of them and they have since gone on a bad run. Gomi beat Pulver and lost to BJ when they were all close to primes. Also Pulver lost to Din Thomas and Duane Ludwig too during his prime, guys who BJ beat easily.
No doubt its BJ.
 
Originally posted by: K2
Date: February 17, 2011 at 04:51 PM
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frontstreet said:
The best 155er of all time in MMA is not BJ Penn.
It's a tie between Frankie Edgar (the man who actually beat BJ Penn twice, decisively) and Jens Pulver (the man who took out Penn in his prime).
It doesn't matter to me though if it's a tie, because I know Gray Maynard will quickly overtake their spots after he proves he was robbed against Edgar, and already beat Edgar decisively, at UFC 130 when he knocks him out in the first round. He caught him easily last time, but he gassed.
Gray has been the best since the TUF Finale, in my opinion. Now he's finally coming on and I can see the greatest 155er in the making.
Saying Takanori Gomi or BJ Penn are the greatest 155ers of all time next to Pulver and Edgar is like saying...The Black Eyed Peas are bigger than The Beatles.
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Jens Pulver seriously?????? The same Pulver that got KO'd nasty and submitted by Penn in his TRUE prime? The best 155er of all time has to be Penn, this dude has wrecked on everyone in 155 not named Edgar. Pulver shouldn't even be in the discussion of best 155ers.
 
Originally posted by: micmeraz
Date: February 17, 2011 at 04:52 PM
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No room for arguement. B.J. Penn.
B.J. Penn beat the crap out of Pulver their second fight proving that in the first fight he probably just didnt take Pulver seriously. And even though Edgar beat B.J. twice, Edgar still hasnt accomplished as much as B.J. has at that division.
B.J. is arguably the greatest fighter of all time. Definitely top 10.. no question hez the greatest LW of all time.
 
Originally posted by: GOODNIGHTIRENE
Date: February 17, 2011 at 04:53 PM
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K2 said:
frontstreet said:
The best 155er of all time in MMA is not BJ Penn.
It's a tie between Frankie Edgar (the man who actually beat BJ Penn twice, decisively) and Jens Pulver (the man who took out Penn in his prime).
It doesn't matter to me though if it's a tie, because I know Gray Maynard will quickly overtake their spots after he proves he was robbed against Edgar, and already beat Edgar decisively, at UFC 130 when he knocks him out in the first round. He caught him easily last time, but he gassed.
Gray has been the best since the TUF Finale, in my opinion. Now he's finally coming on and I can see the greatest 155er in the making.
Saying Takanori Gomi or BJ Penn are the greatest 155ers of all time next to Pulver and Edgar is like saying...The Black Eyed Peas are bigger than The Beatles.
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Jens Pulver seriously?????? The same Pulver that got KO'd nasty and submitted by Penn in his TRUE prime? The best 155er of all time has to be Penn, this dude has wrecked on everyone in 155 not named Edgar. Pulver shouldn't even be in the discussion of best 155ers.
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Gomi was a monster in his prime, and knocked pulver out. i think gomi doesnt get enough credit for how much of a beast he was back in pride
 
Originally posted by: darcebandit
Date: February 17, 2011 at 05:01 PM
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GOODNIGHTIRENE said:
Gomi was a monster in his prime, and knocked pulver out. i think gomi doesnt get enough credit for how much of a beast he was back in pride
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I agree Gomi was beast back then but didn't get the big wins during his prime like Penn did and he does have any good wins out of his weight class like Penn that has to count for alot.
 
Originally posted by: TheLethalLefty
Date: February 17, 2011 at 05:09 PM
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Gotta go with BJ. Yeah, Frankie beat him twice, I know that. If he goes on a lengthy title run with the currently stacked lightweight division then he could very well take the title of best Lightweight of all time.
 
Originally posted by: mabrown45
Date: February 17, 2011 at 05:27 PM
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all this "prime" talk..........do people know the meaning of prime?......or do they just associate it with winning?
 
Originally posted by: leethemackem
Date: February 17, 2011 at 05:38 PM
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BJ Penn /end thread
 
Originally posted by: wolf
Date: February 17, 2011 at 05:39 PM
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frontstreet said:
The best 155er of all time in MMA is not BJ Penn.
It's a tie between Frankie Edgar (the man who actually beat BJ Penn twice, decisively) and Jens Pulver (the man who took out Penn in his prime).
It doesn't matter to me though if it's a tie, because I know Gray Maynard will quickly overtake their spots after he proves he was robbed against Edgar, and already beat Edgar decisively, at UFC 130 when he knocks him out in the first round. He caught him easily last time, but he gassed.
Gray has been the best since the TUF Finale, in my opinion. Now he's finally coming on and I can see the greatest 155er in the making.
Saying Takanori Gomi or BJ Penn are the greatest 155ers of all time next to Pulver and Edgar is like saying...The Black Eyed Peas are bigger than The Beatles.
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you seem to be lacking an understanding of the term "all-time."
the best 155er of all time is without a doubt BJ Penn. It's not even up for discussion. Frankie edgar hasn't defended his belt enough times to even be considered an "all-timer" just yet. Is Frankie Edgar a better fighter at 155 right NOW than BJ Penn? Yes. But he hasn't eclipsed Penn in terms of being a true Champion. He took the belt from BJ in controversial fashion, decidedly beat him the 2nd time, and then again CONTROVERSIALLY retained the title from Maynard. If he can soundly beat Maynard and defend the title against someone like Guillard / Dunham / Florian etc...then you can start talking about him sizing up to BJ Penn's legendary LW Championship status.
Gomi was a great fighter in Pride, but I don't think there's any comparison to his title reign and Penn's. Sure he was a great fighter and had an awesome debut and win streak there. He won the LW grand Prix but followed it up with a loss, and then only defended it once and then lost to Nick Diaz by gogo while Diaz was high. That's not legendary if you ask me. Also, before Gomi even entered into Pride BJ Penn beat him and so did Hansen to take his shooto belt. Gomi doesn't compare to Penn, I'm sorry.
Jenz Pulver is also a legend. The first UFC LW who defended the belt against BJ when BJ was young. But he's lost to BJ Since then, he's also lost to Gomi, and the dude just never was able to live up to the hype when he re-entered the octagon. His defenses of the LW title don't stack up to BJ, and he's really sullied his carrer with his recent losing streak of like 6 loses. All Time Great? Nope.
BJ Penn is the greatest LW Champ of all time.
 
Originally posted by: BabyJayKoscheck
Date: February 17, 2011 at 05:41 PM
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B.J. anybody else that has a resume close to his he owned them. Sherk, Pulver, Florian
 
Originally posted by: wolf
Date: February 17, 2011 at 05:49 PM
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BabyJayKoscheck said:
B.J. anybody else that has a resume close to his he owned them. Sherk, Pulver, Florian
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gomi
 
Originally posted by: 7time
Date: February 17, 2011 at 05:51 PM
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I don't get really what BJ's victories outside of LW have to do with him being the best LW of all time. Yeah, he won those fights, but not in the LW division. He is though in my opinion one of, if not the best LW of all time but I don't base that on anything other then what he has done at LW.
#1 Penn
#2 Gomi
#3 Pulver
 
Originally posted by: reghartner
Date: February 17, 2011 at 06:02 PM
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Gomi was a great fighter in Pride, but I don't think there's any comparison to his title reign and Penn's. Sure he was a great fighter and had an awesome debut and win streak there. He won the LW grand Prix but followed it up with a loss, and then only defended it once
and then lost to Nick Diaz by gogo while Diaz was high
. That's not legendary if you ask me. Also, before Gomi even entered into Pride BJ Penn beat him and so did Hansen to take his shooto belt. Gomi doesn't compare to Penn, I'm sorry.
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haha. eddie bravo says getting high helps him with his jitz, and that gogo would certainly back up that claim. one of my favorite subs ever.
p.s. that win should still count for diaz.
 
Originally posted by: Moranis
Date: February 17, 2011 at 06:04 PM
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darcebandit said:
GOODNIGHTIRENE said:
Gomi was a monster in his prime, and knocked pulver out. i think gomi doesnt get enough credit for how much of a beast he was back in pride
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I agree Gomi was beast back then but didn't get the big wins during his prime like Penn did and he does have any good wins out of his weight class like Penn that has to count for alot.
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Penn destroyed Gomi when they were both young, but in their primes.
 
Originally posted by: frontstreet
Date: February 17, 2011 at 06:09 PM
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wolf said:
you seem to be lacking an understanding of the term "all-time."
the best 155er of all time is without a doubt BJ Penn. It's not even up for discussion. Frankie edgar hasn't defended his belt enough times to even be considered an "all-timer" just yet. Is Frankie Edgar a better fighter at 155 right NOW than BJ Penn? Yes. But he hasn't eclipsed Penn in terms of being a true Champion. He took the belt from BJ in controversial fashion, decidedly beat him the 2nd time, and then again CONTROVERSIALLY retained the title from Maynard. If he can soundly beat Maynard and defend the title against someone like Guillard / Dunham / Florian etc...then you can start talking about him sizing up to BJ Penn's legendary LW Championship status.
Gomi was a great fighter in Pride, but I don't think there's any comparison to his title reign and Penn's. Sure he was a great fighter and had an awesome debut and win streak there. He won the LW grand Prix but followed it up with a loss, and then only defended it once and then lost to Nick Diaz by gogo while Diaz was high. That's not legendary if you ask me. Also, before Gomi even entered into Pride BJ Penn beat him and so did Hansen to take his shooto belt. Gomi doesn't compare to Penn, I'm sorry.
Jenz Pulver is also a legend. The first UFC LW who defended the belt against BJ when BJ was young. But he's lost to BJ Since then, he's also lost to Gomi, and the dude just never was able to live up to the hype when he re-entered the octagon. His defenses of the LW title don't stack up to BJ, and he's really sullied his carrer with his recent losing streak of like 6 loses. All Time Great? Nope.
BJ Penn is the greatest LW Champ of all time.
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I don't lack anything.
BJ Penn only beat sub par fighters when he was the champion. Sure he got his title due to some guy mysteriously testing positive and proving he didn't even take supplements, and he beat that guy, but that's really about it. Diego Sanchez looked off and wasn't remotely great at 155. And Joe Stevenson? :lol:.
Frankie Edgar wooped him not once but twice to prove who is the way better fighter.
This thread is not about who had the most title defenses based on beating subpar fighters or cans in PRIDE *cough* Gomi *cough* but who is the greatest. Who is the most skilled 155er of all time.
And that goes to the two men who actually tooled BJ for the time being, Jens Pulver and Frankie Edgar.
Gray Maynard will get the title though, as he was robbed against Edgar on NYE and has already beaten Edgar decisively before that. He won't make the same mistake again and is clearly out of Frankie's league. Just wait until Maynard has 10 defenses under his belt.
 
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