Who would win #16: Yushin Okami vs. Georges St. Pierre?
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smfowns4 said:
I think Okami would be too strong.
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See this is the problem and its pissing me off.Everyone think,and i mean EVERYONE,thinks that Most MW are stronger then gsp.Listen people,Gsp is incredibility strong for 170 and he would be stronger at MW with all the muscle he would put on.Yeah theres some guys who are Obviously stronger like marqaurdt ect.But who knows?how are we to judge?we never seen Gsp at MW.Yet everybody bashing him saying that he would lose because of size.Its threads like this,that shouldnt havent even been posted in the first place.
Most people would say that GSP would get tooled if he moved up in weight, but keep in mind that GSP's athleticism and speed could make him a special case. Penn only lost to Hughes and GSP at WW (and Hughes was a major force in WW at that time, plus Penn was just coasting), which means that Penn was doing just fine at WW before he moved back down.
Okami is bigger than GSP, but so is Thiago Silva compared to Evans, and look how that turned out.
If it was Belfort or Sonnen however I could see GSP having problems. Sonnen manhandled Marquadt (who is bigger and probably stronger than GSP) through pure wrestling alone, so GSP would have no strength advantage over Sonnen.
Bwalsh said:
smfowns4 said:
I think Okami would be too strong.
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See this is the problem and its pissing me off.Everyone think,and i mean EVERYONE,thinks that Most MW are stronger then gsp.Listen people,Gsp is incredibility strong for 170 and he would be stronger at MW with all the muscle he would put on.Yeah theres some guys who are Obviously stronger like marqaurdt ect.But who knows?how are we to judge?we never seen Gsp at MW.Yet everybody bashing him saying that he would lose because of size.Its threads like this,that shouldnt havent even been posted in the first place.
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Let me tell you your problem, when you say "EVERYONE," that means you are talking to yourself as well! People can think and say whatever they want, it's called free speech. GSP may be incedibly strong for WW, but that in no way means, he will, without a shadow of a doubt, be incedibly strong for the MW Division, nor does it mean he can hang with most MWs. News Flash: Okami is one of the strongest MWs. Most people who get in the cage with him, say that he is incredibly strong. Furthermore, I have yet to see a post in this thread, "bashing" GSP. It is people like you who should STFU and stop trying to tell "everyone" as you so eloquently put it, what they should think.
GoodCat said:
Okami is waaaay to big for GSP. Have people not learned anything from Penn moving up a weight class and getting manhandled by a bigger stronger guy?
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Well, if that's the case, about half of today's HW's should pack it in and call it a career.
Roxinius said:
you guys do realize Georges said if he would ever move to mw it would only be after putting on the weight properly so hed be getting bigger befor fighting at mw
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I just reread the OP and I didn't see where it said "if GSP were to put on 20 lbs. of muscle and was a legit MW, would he beat Okami"........
JunkieDog said:
Roxinius said:
you guys do realize Georges said if he would ever move to mw it would only be after putting on the weight properly so hed be getting bigger befor fighting at mw
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I just reread the OP and I didn't see where it said "if GSP were to put on 20 lbs. of muscle and was a legit MW, would he beat Okami"........
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rofl well im sure an athlete like gsp would half *** his way going up to mw
I say GSP all day long. GSP has 80% TD success rate against the best of the best wrestlers at WW. At MW he'd go to what? 70%? maybe 65%? He would out grapple and outstrike Okami. I think most people underestimate how strong GSP is. He may not be the physically biggest WW but he is by far the strongest.
Bwalsh said:
smfowns4 said:
I think Okami would be too strong.
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See this is the problem and its pissing me off.Everyone think,and i mean EVERYONE,thinks that Most MW are stronger then gsp.Listen people,Gsp is incredibility strong for 170 and he would be stronger at MW with all the muscle he would put on.Yeah theres some guys who are Obviously stronger like marqaurdt ect.But who knows?how are we to judge?we never seen Gsp at MW.Yet everybody bashing him saying that he would lose because of size.Its threads like this,that shouldnt havent even been posted in the first place.
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We've seen fighters put on weight and then try to compete at higher weight classes. The general consensus as far as I've seen, is that the fighter no longer retains that physical strength Dominance they might have had in the lower weight classes. BJ Penn is obviously an example, and so is Frank Mir. Mir was talking all sorts of smack about "When the numbers get bigger on the weights you're lifting... guess what, you're getting stronger." Then Carwin pointed out that its not the same as his strength that he has been building since he was 16. We all saw what happened, Carwin shoved Mir against the cage and had his way with him. A strong WW is likely to be disadvantaged against a strong MW regardless of the care taken in putting on the extra pounds.
JunkieDog said:
GoodCat said:
Okami is waaaay to big for GSP. Have people not learned anything from Penn moving up a weight class and getting manhandled by a bigger stronger guy?
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Well, if that's the case, about half of today's HW's should pack it in and call it a career.
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Really? That's all you have for an answer? Something about a bunch of fighters who are still fighting in their own division and only have to deal with a handful of guys who actually cut weight? That's pretty weaksauce man.
I mean, all it takes is a little common sense to figure out that a 6' 2" guy who cuts from about 210 lbs and is notoriously strong for his weight class is gonna be able to handle a guy 4 inches shorter and about 20 lbs lighter.
Guess what? Okami would probably have trouble with the larger guys at LHW, just like GSP will have trouble with the larger MWs, and just like Penn had trouble with the larger WW.
Lasse said:
Okami is bigger than GSP, but so is Thiago Silva compared to Evans, and look how that turned out.
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Bad example, Rashad constantly took Thiago down and Thiago kept getting up and Thiago was injured. Also, proportionately GSP is much smaller than Okami than Rashad is to Thiago Silva
Also to those saying GSP can just simply "put on muscle" have to remember he may gain some explosiveness and size, but he will lose speed, cardio and will inevitably be 'smaller' than Okami in terms of height, weight and reach who is a huge MW.
Either way this would be a great match up that could go either way