who's on the juice?

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: bpretz
Date: May 05, 2009 at 03:53 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-on-the-juice.13198/

i'm noticing that after decades of fooling the general public into believing that they're just genetically better than the rest of us, the walls are closing in on the meatheads who use steroids and it's getting harder and harder to convince people that their buff, chiseled physique is merely a result of hard work. with all of the attention the subject has gotten in recent years, the public is well aware that steroid use is rampant in this country and may be more likely to believe that someone IS on 'roids than isn't in this day and age. it's been my experience that users would never admit to using because to do so would mean they'd have to admit to themselves that not only are they not really better than anyone else, but also that they've chosen the easy path as well which is a contradiction to the image of hard work and dedication. not to mention, the health risks involved are quite gross and would generally be frowned upon. so. what i'm wondering is, where we at now? what do the junkies think? is that ripped guy who ballooned up in a short period of time a result of some secret diet and fitness regiment? or is he juicing?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Archean_Life
Date: May 05, 2009 at 04:13 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-on-the-juice.13198/

I knew a girl in high school that was the tiniest little thing - probably the smallest in height and close to the thinnest. Now, 15 years later, she's a professional bodybuilder and totally ripped. She looks almost like a different person. I thought at first that her physique could be natural, but then I saw an interview with her. Her voice went from a very mousy high girly voice in high school to essentially a high man's voice now. I respected her physical transformation until I heard her speak. I don't think a person's voice changes radically just from working out - but please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: SheerTerror
Date: May 05, 2009 at 04:32 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-on-the-juice.13198/

It's possible to get ripped 100% naturally, but the problem is that alot of people want a shorcut. Looking good naturally means having discipline with y our workout routine, diet, and sleep schedule. But you need to make a distinction between a pro bodybuilder or powerlifter who has reached their genetic limitations (as far as strength and size) and your average joe who wants a shorcut to a nice physique. I'll admit that I have used gear, but I didn't tell my friends (the ones that i dont workout with anyways) because they wouldn't understand. I don't understand why they would go out and do ecstacy or cocaine or get drunk every night so why should i expect them to understand why I would juice? Just my personal experiance....

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: osubuckeye4
Date: May 05, 2009 at 04:48 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-on-the-juice.13198/

I'm on the fence about it. I know steroids are pretty commonplace these days, but my background prevents me from just throwing accusations around.
I've never used roids (or any supplments for that matter aside from a multivitamin), but back in high school was accused of using them repeatedly (about every football game and track meet I competed in, some idiot coach or opposing player would accuse me of being on roids) and it was incredibly annoying and honestly pissed me off.
I worked out 2-3 hours a day minimum every day (except for the summers, would tone down my workouts and work on gaining weight so I could convert it to muscle in the fall) and dieted properly. I didn't smoke (aside from occasional weed), almost never drank alcohol and I never ate fast food.
In other words... it's possible to look like a WWE wrestler and NOT be doing roids. HOWEVER, it takes a ton of dedication.
These days, I don't know how I did the workouts that I was doing. Just thinking about them makes me want to throw up (and I still workout and am in pretty decent shape)

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Norm
Date: May 05, 2009 at 05:06 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-on-the-juice.13198/

I have no moral problems with people using steroids for performance, looks, or otherwise. Who am I to say what's right or wrong and try to impose my views on others. IMO, more people than you could imagine are on roids. I'll throw a few names of people I believe are on, so mods feel free to delete if this is against forum rules.
Hugh Jackman-Wolverine
Liev Schriber-Wolverine
Kelly Ripa-Regis and Kelly
Timbaland-Producer
Carrot Top-Comedian

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Big_Boy
Date: May 05, 2009 at 06:00 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-on-the-juice.13198/

Norm said:
Timbaland-Producer
Carrot Top-Comedian
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Timbaland was named with 50cent, Dre Dre and a few others in a Steroid Scandal last year receiving steroids illegally from some doctor......Dre Dre looks like he's on steroids. I remember seeing him at the MTV awards like WTF?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Norm
Date: May 05, 2009 at 06:13 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-on-the-juice.13198/

LOL at that pic....Dre looks like a friggin' linebacker.
IMO, if these guys....Jackman, Schriber, Dre weren't over 40, their "transformations" would be a little more believeable. But I don't buy a older man putting on 15-40lbs of muscle mass at will for one second.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Big_Boy
Date: May 05, 2009 at 06:17 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-on-the-juice.13198/

Norm said:
LOL at that pic....Dre looks like a friggin' linebacker.
IMO, if these guys....Jackman, Schriber, Dre
weren't over 40
, their "transformations" would be a little more believeable. But I don't buy a older man putting on 15-40lbs of muscle mass at will for one second.
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My thoughts exactly!!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ronkiz21
Date: May 05, 2009 at 06:37 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-on-the-juice.13198/

I don't like roids. I workout everyday(on a good week) and when I see guys taking shortcuts to get bigger and buffer it just makes me think they're mentally weak. When it comes to athletes using them it disappoints me but I understand the pressures they face. It gives me more respect for the athletes who don't resolve to roids.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: xXzygoteXx
Date: May 05, 2009 at 06:41 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-on-the-juice.13198/

Big_Boy said:
Norm said:
Timbaland-Producer
Carrot Top-Comedian
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Timbaland was named with 50cent, Dre Dre and a few others in a Steroid Scandal last year receiving steroids illegally from some doctor......Dre Dre looks like he's on steroids. I remember seeing him at the MTV awards like WTF?
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Haha...+1...I remember being like, "Yeah, Dre"...Then this dude came out and then
Dre??? Crazy ripped...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: NYR30AILD
Date: May 05, 2009 at 06:54 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-on-the-juice.13198/

Norm said:
LOL at that pic....Dre looks like a friggin' linebacker.
IMO, if these guys....Jackman, Schriber, Dre weren't over 40, their "transformations" would be a little more believeable. But I don't buy a older man putting on 15-40lbs of muscle mass at will for one second.
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Well guys who are mega rich can afford personal trainers, gyms in their homes, and nutritionists

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: D253
Date: May 05, 2009 at 07:18 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-on-the-juice.13198/

NYR30AILD said:
Norm said:
LOL at that pic....Dre looks like a friggin' linebacker.
IMO, if these guys....Jackman, Schriber, Dre weren't over 40, their "transformations" would be a little more believeable. But I don't buy a older man putting on 15-40lbs of muscle mass at will for one second.
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Well guys who are mega rich can afford personal trainers, gyms in their homes, and nutritionists
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That's a great point NYR.
Maybe I'm just naive but I don't necessarily think everyone who adds on muscle mass in a relatively short period of time is on roids (especially celebrities). We have no idea what their workout regimen looks like; I tend to take the innocent until proven guilty, approach.
P.S. for some reason, the thought of Carrot Top on roids made me LOL for 10 seconds :lol:

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Norm
Date: May 05, 2009 at 07:49 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-on-the-juice.13198/

BigLEFT said:
NYR30AILD said:
Well guys who are mega rich can afford personal trainers, gyms in their homes, and nutritionists
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That's a great point NYR.
Maybe I'm just naive but I don't necessarily think everyone who adds on muscle mass in a relatively short period of time is on roids (especially celebrities). We have no idea what their workout regimen looks like; I tend to take the innocent until proven guilty, approach.
P.S. for some reason, the thought of Carrot Top on roids made me LOL for 10 seconds :lol:
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Normally I would agree with those sentiments, but a man 40+ is going to have a very difficult time putting on muscle in general, let alone 15-40lbs that some of these actors claim.
Also, to play devils advocate....a person who is wealthy enough for trainers, chefs, etc is also probably well connected and can find a Dr. that will write him scripts for WHATEVER he wants...roids, pain killers, HGH, etc.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: rhino78
Date: May 05, 2009 at 08:03 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-on-the-juice.13198/

Doesn't it still take dedication to working out and dieting, even if you take steriods? I'm a fat dude, and I know that I couldn't start taking steriods and expect to get ripped by sitting on the couch. But I could hit the gym and it might take me a year to shed 40-50 lbs in a healthy way. Steriods might let me get ripped in 1/2 the time, but I would still need to dedicated to working out.
Shortcut, yes.
Cheating yes.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: D253
Date: May 05, 2009 at 08:11 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-on-the-juice.13198/

Norm:
Why is it ssooo much harder to add on muscle mass when you're 40 +? I know it gets harder to lose weight as you get older, but I had no clue it was difficult to gain muscle (especially when the person is already in decent shape, to begin with).
:?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: rhino78
Date: May 05, 2009 at 08:17 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-on-the-juice.13198/

Norm said:
I have no moral problems with people using steroids for performance, looks, or otherwise. Who am I to say what's right or wrong and try to impose my views on others. IMO, more people than you could imagine are on roids. I'll throw a few names of people I believe are on, so mods feel free to delete if this is against forum rules.
Hugh Jackman-Wolverine
Liev Schriber-Wolverine
Kelly Ripa-Regis and Kelly
Timbaland-Producer
Carrot Top-Comedian
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Kelly Ripa, really. She looks the same weight and size, she just looks in shape, toned.
I've read what Jackman had to do to get in shape. You have to understand that this is there lives. They can work out all day 7 days a week. They have the time and $$$ to do so. I think it took him like a year to do it. I have an articl that said he woud wake uo at 4:00 a.m. just to eat. He had to eat every 3 hours and he follwoed " a hardcore bulk-building regime". (EW magazine) I'm not saying he didn't haver help, but it's not like he did this in a couple of weeks.
Plus, CHristian Bale dropped 60 lbs to weigh 120 and then gained it back, then had to gain 40 lbs to be 220 for BAtman. IT can be doen with the proper diet and excersice program.
Plus stars don't need an athletic edge like in sports.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: whatheheck
Date: May 05, 2009 at 08:20 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-on-the-juice.13198/

Ive used pro hormones and testosterone boosters and there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: NYR30AILD
Date: May 05, 2009 at 08:38 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-on-the-juice.13198/

rhino78 said:
I've read what Jackman had to do to get in shape. You have to understand that this is there lives. They can work out all day 7 days a week. They have the time and $$$ to do so. I think it took him like a year to do it. I have an articl that said he woud wake uo at 4:00 a.m. just to eat. He had to eat every 3 hours and he follwoed " a hardcore bulk-building regime". (EW magazine) I'm not saying he didn't haver help, but it's not like he did this in a couple of weeks.
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I agree with this. When an actor is called upon to do so,his job is to mold himself into the required character to play a certain role. For example, Edward Norton.
American History X:
His job was to bulk up enough to play this role. Actors have the means to focus on doing this 24/7, and constantly have a team of people following them around advising them on workout routines, proper technique, proper diet etc etc. Whereas a normal person with time restrictions due to work and other things hits the gym 4 days a week and that's it

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: rhino78
Date: May 05, 2009 at 08:43 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-on-the-juice.13198/

NYR30AILD said:
rhino78 said:
I've read what Jackman had to do to get in shape. You have to understand that this is there lives. They can work out all day 7 days a week. They have the time and $$$ to do so. I think it took him like a year to do it. I have an articl that said he woud wake uo at 4:00 a.m. just to eat. He had to eat every 3 hours and he follwoed " a hardcore bulk-building regime". (EW magazine) I'm not saying he didn't haver help, but it's not like he did this in a couple of weeks.
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I agree with this. When an actor is called upon to do so,his job is to mold himself into the required character to play a certain role. For example, Edward Norton.
American History X:
His job was to bulk up enough to play this role. Actors have the means to focus on doing this 24/7, and constantly have a team of people following them around advising them on workout routines, proper technique, proper diet etc etc. Whereas a normal person with time restrictions due to work and other things hits the gym 4 days a week and that's it
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Exactly. Like method actors who "become" the role. Somethimes you can't use their real names, they are the character.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Norm
Date: May 05, 2009 at 10:29 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-on-the-juice.13198/

rhino78 said:
Doesn't it still take dedication to working out and dieting, even if you take steriods? I'm a fat dude, and I know that I couldn't start taking steriods and expect to get ripped by sitting on the couch. But I could hit the gym and it might take me a year to shed 40-50 lbs in a healthy way. Steriods might let me get ripped in 1/2 the time, but I would still need to dedicated to working out.
Shortcut, yes.
Cheating yes.
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True the work would need to be put in to recompse your body, but taking certain steroids will improve nutrient partioning, IE calories go to muscle vs. fat stores.