Why I Support the Death Penalty

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: dublindevil83
Date: May 09, 2008 at 03:51 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-i-support-the-death-penalty.16793/

Re: Death Penalty
Andre3000 said:
dublindevil83 said:
I think texas has the best law on the books for this. if you are convicted of a terrible act(example: murder or rape & murder) with 3 or more credible witnesses, you do not sit on death row for 20-25 years, you jump start to the front of the line and DIE!
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I'm not from Texas, but I can tell you that eyewitness testimony is basically the most unreliable form of evidence that exists.
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i realize this but its just something i heard and was wondering if its true.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: jt1163
Date: May 09, 2008 at 03:56 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-i-support-the-death-penalty.16793/

Re: Death Penalty
Andre3000 said:
I'm totally against the death penalty and could not be a prosecutor if I lived in a jurisdiction where it was an available sentence.
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Your arguments are strong and well-stated, as usual.
Again, the doctor's point of view. When I was in medical school in Baltimore and when I worked at the medical school in Indianapolis, we would often get patients from prison over for medical care. Many of these folks were in prison for murder, sentenced to "life" without parole. What are they entitled to in terms of medical resource utilization while in prison for murder? Appendectomy? Cardiac stent? Cardiac bypass? Heart transplant? Lung cancer surgery followed by radiation and chemotherapy with 15 or 20 follow up CT scans followed by another surgery, etc.
The cost of incarceration is very high in the states, I don't know about Canada, but I think the problem with our system is
finding a balance between callousness towards the convicted criminal and an excessive concern for their well-being.
Personally, I think the death penalty is morally justifiable, but I respect the counterarguments. Life in prison in morally justifiable, but there has to be a limit to the resources that a convicted murderer receives from society.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: crazycroat57
Date: May 09, 2008 at 04:23 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-i-support-the-death-penalty.16793/

Re: Death Penalty
I have already posted this in things that piss me off but, if you believe in the death penalty how can you not believe in abortion or at least the right to choose? If the state can kill someone who is fully alive why can't something that is not even fully functioning not be able to die before it ever truly lives? I am obviously liberal on this, but I think you should be one or the other. I am for eye for an eye in capital punishment and the right to choose. I think if you don't like the death penalty you shouldn't like abortion either. You have to decide whether or not the state should be allowed to terminate life, not in which situations you agree with it.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Andre3000
Date: May 09, 2008 at 04:26 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-i-support-the-death-penalty.16793/

Re: Death Penalty
crazycroat57 said:
I think if you don't like the death penalty you shouldn't like abortion either. You have to decide whether or not the state should be allowed to terminate life, not in which situations you agree with it.
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The state doesn't decide to terminate life in the case of abortion. It's the mother's choice.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Andre3000
Date: May 09, 2008 at 04:33 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-i-support-the-death-penalty.16793/

Re: Death Penalty
jt1163 said:
What are they entitled to in terms of medical resource utilization while in prison for murder? Appendectomy? Cardiac stent? Cardiac bypass? Heart transplant? Lung cancer surgery followed by radiation and chemotherapy with 15 or 20 follow up CT scans followed by another surgery, etc.
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Those are excellent questions and I would have to give them some thought before I could offer an opinion.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: squib
Date: May 09, 2008 at 04:34 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-i-support-the-death-penalty.16793/

Re: Death Penalty
I'd probably have more support for the death penalty if it was applied to corporations.
Monsanto, I'm looking at you.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: squib
Date: May 09, 2008 at 04:37 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-i-support-the-death-penalty.16793/

Re: Death Penalty
As it stands in the US, I believe that a disproportionate number of prisoners on death row are black, like the general prison population.
In Canada, we have a disproportionate number of first nations (that's indians) in prison. Death sentences here are unofficial, and typically referred to as "dying in police custody."
I would prefer to see corporate criminals, and people who have committed severely heinous crimes go out before simple murderers.
d--- Cheney comes to mind.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: EnderWiggin
Date: May 09, 2008 at 04:37 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-i-support-the-death-penalty.16793/

Re: Death Penalty
I'm all in favor of killing the bad guys. Unfortunately, there's no magic wand that can tell us with 100% accuracy "Guilty" or "Innocent". If only there was a 100% accurate lie detector test.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: squib
Date: May 09, 2008 at 04:38 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-i-support-the-death-penalty.16793/

Re: Death Penalty
squib said:
d*ck Cheney comes to mind.
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I appreciate junkie's keeping the profanity off the site, but the man's name is d---, what can I do? Richard just doesn't sound the same.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: squib
Date: May 09, 2008 at 04:39 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-i-support-the-death-penalty.16793/

Re: Death Penalty
I worked as a legal assistant for a spell, and up until that point, I honestly believed that anyone could be rehabilitated with enough time and energy put in.
I've come across a few cases since then, where I truly believe that some people are broken, without hope of redemption.
snuff films is all I can say.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: crazycroat57
Date: May 09, 2008 at 04:48 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-i-support-the-death-penalty.16793/

Re: Death Penalty
Andre3000 said:
crazycroat57 said:
I think if you don't like the death penalty you shouldn't like abortion either. You have to decide whether or not the state should be allowed to terminate life, not in which situations you agree with it.
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The state doesn't decide to terminate life in the case of abortion. It's the mother's choice.
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Yes it is you are correct but who "entitles" the mother to have the ability to even have the choice? The state/ federal government.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Brick
Date: May 09, 2008 at 04:51 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-i-support-the-death-penalty.16793/

Re: Death Penalty
crazycroat57 said:
Andre3000 said:
crazycroat57 said:
I think if you don't like the death penalty you shouldn't like abortion either. You have to decide whether or not the state should be allowed to terminate life, not in which situations you agree with it.
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The state doesn't decide to terminate life in the case of abortion. It's the mother's choice.
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Yes it is you are correct but who "entitles" the mother to have the ability to even have the choice? The state/ federal government.
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Oh, Jesus. We're not really going to go there, are we?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: crazycroat57
Date: May 09, 2008 at 04:55 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-i-support-the-death-penalty.16793/

Re: Death Penalty
Brick said:
crazycroat57 said:
Andre3000 said:
The state doesn't decide to terminate life in the case of abortion. It's the mother's choice.
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Yes it is you are correct but who "entitles" the mother to have the ability to even have the choice? The state/ federal government.
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Oh, Jesus. We're not really going to go there, are we?
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We certainly don't have to Brick, we already did on the things that piss me off thread. I understand you're a Repub and I am not. No biggie

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Andre3000
Date: May 09, 2008 at 04:57 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-i-support-the-death-penalty.16793/

Re: Death Penalty
Brick said:
Oh, Jesus. We're not really going to go there, are we?
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Hahahahahahahahahaha. Brick has spoken: No abortion talk. Probably a good call and I'm prepared to abide by it.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Showdown
Date: May 09, 2008 at 05:02 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-i-support-the-death-penalty.16793/

Re: Death Penalty
That can go on the "Man Laws" list, along with being able to watch Golden Girls...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: crazycroat57
Date: May 09, 2008 at 05:23 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-i-support-the-death-penalty.16793/

Re: Death Penalty
I apologize. I was not trying to mix the two but I have to explain my views on it together because I believe they exist together. I was not trying to get off topic, just stating my opinion.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Brick
Date: May 09, 2008 at 06:32 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-i-support-the-death-penalty.16793/

Re: Death Penalty
Andre3000 said:
Brick said:
Oh, Jesus. We're not really going to go there, are we?
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Hahahahahahahahahaha. Brick has spoken: No abortion talk. Probably a good call and I'm prepared to abide by it.
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lol, my statement was made somewhat tongue in cheek. Of course we can talk about anything we want, but I've never seen an abortion discussion that ends well for anyone.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: crazycroat57
Date: May 09, 2008 at 06:41 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-i-support-the-death-penalty.16793/

Re: Death Penalty
Brick said:
Andre3000 said:
Brick said:
Oh, Jesus. We're not really going to go there, are we?
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Hahahahahahahahahaha. Brick has spoken: No abortion talk. Probably a good call and I'm prepared to abide by it.
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lol, my statement was made somewhat tongue in cheek. Of course we can talk about anything we want, but I've never seen an abortion discussion that ends well for anyone.
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That I think is the first thing we have ever agreed on Brick. I feel warm and fuzzy inside. :?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Cavediver
Date: May 09, 2008 at 07:11 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-i-support-the-death-penalty.16793/

Re: Death Penalty
jt1163 said:
Andre3000 said:
I'm totally against the death penalty and could not be a prosecutor if I lived in a jurisdiction where it was an available sentence.
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Your arguments are strong and well-stated, as usual.
Again, the doctor's point of view. When I was in medical school in Baltimore and when I worked at the medical school in Indianapolis, we would often get patients from prison over for medical care. Many of these folks were in prison for murder, sentenced to "life" without parole. What are they entitled to in terms of medical resource utilization while in prison for murder? Appendectomy? Cardiac stent? Cardiac bypass? Heart transplant? Lung cancer surgery followed by radiation and chemotherapy with 15 or 20 follow up CT scans followed by another surgery, etc.
The cost of incarceration is very high in the states, I don't know about Canada, but I think the problem with our system is
finding a balance between callousness towards the convicted criminal and an excessive concern for their well-being.
Personally, I think the death penalty is morally justifiable, but I respect the counterarguments. Life in prison in morally justifiable, but there has to be a limit to the resources that a convicted murderer receives from society.
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These three drugs are cheaper then housing and maintaining a Murderer for his lifetime
1. Sodium thiopental
2. Pancuronium bromide
3. Potassium chloride
LESS THEN A 1000 BUCKS.ONE TIME. ONE WAY NO RETURN.
I'm not merciless.I just don't tolerate indiscriminant irresponsible premeditated Murder.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Showdown
Date: May 09, 2008 at 07:13 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-i-support-the-death-penalty.16793/

Re: Death Penalty
Sleepaway(Sodium Pentobarbital) Much cheaper, much quicker, much better!