Why is there Machida talks?

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Originally posted by: jdhustle
Date: May 26, 2011 at 08:52 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-is-there-machida-talks.39082/
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I read about Jones saying Rampage or Machida are possible opponents. How is Machida in the mix? DW said he was in trouble before he fought Couture, and although Couture is a legend in the sport, one win does not put someone in title contention, especially not a win over a top 5 guy. Machida basically lost two to Shogun and lost to Rampage, so one solid win in 4 fights should in no shape put Machida in line. If Rampage loses, which I don't think he will, Machida should still not be considered. Thoughts?
 
Originally posted by: A_G
Date: May 26, 2011 at 08:57 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-is-there-machida-talks.39082/
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Who else if Rampage loses? I would rather see Machida/Bones than Hamill/Bones II. Maybe you could throw Forrest in there if he beats Shogun but that time frame will screw everything up. Not sure what other options there are at this point.
 
Originally posted by: Puxin
Date: May 26, 2011 at 09:00 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-is-there-machida-talks.39082/
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truescourge said:
I read about Jones saying Rampage or Machida are possible opponents. How is Machida in the mix? DW said he was in trouble before he fought Couture, and although Couture is a legend in the sport, one win does not put someone in title contention, especially not a win over a top 5 guy. Machida basically lost two to Shogun and lost to Rampage, so one solid win in 4 fights should in no shape put Machida in line. If Rampage loses, which I don't think he will, Machida should still not be considered. Thoughts?
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If you're not going to give him credit for the first win over Shogun, then his loss to Rampage shouldn't be held against him.
Essentially, there is a lot of parity at the top of the LHW division. As the Shogun thread quote suggests, most top LHWs have a decent chance against most other top LHWs. There is also the issue of timing, and who will be available when Jones returns. There aren't many other top LHWs that will be available in early Fall (when I think Jones is expected to return).
 
Originally posted by: Jak
Date: May 26, 2011 at 09:26 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-is-there-machida-talks.39082/
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truescourge said:
How is Machida in the mix?
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Guy landed a bad *** flying kick to the face.
You can argue all you want about "rankings" and who deserves what, but nothing sells a fighter more than highlight reel highlights and Machida was smart enough to get one. That's always the way it's been and will be. Most people watch for the badass finishes.
Just as many, if not more, thought Machida won against Jackson. Including Jackson... and at the very least had a better fight. It might be a loss on fight finder but it certainly wasn't definitive loss.
 
Originally posted by: holmezy
Date: May 26, 2011 at 09:43 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-is-there-machida-talks.39082/
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truescourge said:
How is Machida in the mix?
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Jak said:
Guy landed a bad *** flying kick to the face.
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Thats all folks :lol:
I agree though Rampage/Machida decision could have gone either way and he just front kicked Couture into retirement, however he still did lose to Shogun twice imo and needs another fight before even being considered. Still I wouldnt complain if he got Jones though should be a fun and exciting fight so I guess thats all that really matters, plus I doubt Machida, Rampage or even Evans can get through Bones so it wont make a difference who faces him.
 
Originally posted by: gzfzvz
Date: May 27, 2011 at 12:09 AM
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Yeah I agree he shouldn't be in the mix. He needs one more solid win. Beating Couture was pretty easy because Randy didn't have the "style to counter Machida" like he thought he did. So it turned out into a regular Prime MMA fighter beating a tough 48 year old guy.
It should be Davis/Rashad and if the timing can't make that fight happen then Rampage (if he beats hammil). I guess Machida would be after all those guys in the pecking order, so it would have to be a pretty messed up few months for him to get the next shot.
 
Originally posted by: Neonep
Date: May 27, 2011 at 12:34 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-is-there-machida-talks.39082/
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Jones will be able to fight in September so that's what were looking at.
Evans/Davis is August 6th, no way the winner can have that quick of a turn around.
Shogun/Forrest II is August 27th, again no way a fighter can make that type of turn around.
Rampage/Hamill
1. Rampage wins. All this debating stops and the choice is easy for the UFC and the fans will be happy (easiest route)
2. Hamill wins. We have an issue because even though Hamill has a DQ victory over Jones we all know he was being manhandled and in the eyes of the UFC and fans feel that was a victory for Bones. We can't have that and that is where....
Machida comes in. Even though he went 1-2 in his last 3 fight with 2 back to back losses, his losses are to 2 former champs with one of them being highly controversial and was a close fight. His one win was in spectacular fashion against a former champ. By simple process of elimination he is in the title picture and credential wise is a more then worth opponent for the champ. If your questioning if Machida should be in the conversation stop and think... Who else is left?
 
Originally posted by: anotherusername
Date: May 27, 2011 at 01:04 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-is-there-machida-talks.39082/
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I am a Machida fan and I don't want him to fight Jones yet. His recent record isn't that great and I want him to have at least one more W before he takes a huge risk by fighting Jones. People may not want to see Hamill vs Jones now, but if Hamill actually beats Rampage they may feel differently. And I see nothing wrong with giving Jones the opportunity to avenge his one "loss".
 
Originally posted by: KungFuHustle
Date: May 27, 2011 at 04:12 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-is-there-machida-talks.39082/
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LawrenceWesTerry said:
truescourge said:
I read about Jones saying Rampage or Machida are possible opponents. How is Machida in the mix? DW said he was in trouble before he fought Couture, and although Couture is a legend in the sport, one win does not put someone in title contention, especially not a win over a top 5 guy. Machida basically lost two to Shogun and lost to Rampage, so one solid win in 4 fights should in no shape put Machida in line. If Rampage loses, which I don't think he will, Machida should still not be considered. Thoughts?
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The loss to Rampage was very controversial. Alot of people thought Machida won that fight, and it could have went either way. And he completely dismantled Randy Couture in his last fight. And honestly, he is the most dangerous match-up for Jon Jones right now, he has all the skills he needs to defeat Jones. Even though he lost to Mauricio Rua, styles do make match-ups.
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Originally posted by: chriscrowing
Date: May 27, 2011 at 04:51 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-is-there-machida-talks.39082/
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Machida is in the mix because...
1. the Light Heavyweight division is so stacked and evenly balanced that 'streaks' are very hard to come by, therefore any guy who is generally accepted as being top ten and is coming off a win can be considered in the title picture depending on attractiveness of matchups from a time-frame and marketability PoV.
2. stylistically, Lyoto is a challenging matchup for Jones.
3. Lyoto is coming off a highlight reel win over a legend.
4. who else is on a streak? Rampage is a controversial 1-0 at the moment, Hamill is 5-0 which is really 2-0, Griffin is 2-0 but booked to face Rua. Is there anyone else at LHW who is considered top ten but is coming off a win aside from the already booked Evans vs. Davis?
Basically, Lyoto's style suits, his timescale suits, he got himself a sellable highlight reel KO at the right time to skip the queue. It all depends when Jones is gonna be good to go again, because in fairness the #1 contender SHOULD be the winner of Evans-Jones, and Machida can fight the winner of Jackson/Hamill or Griffin/Rua for the #1 contendership.
However if Jones is ready to go soon and Lyoto is available, I'm fine with it because that fight would interest me.
 
Originally posted by: endo135
Date: May 27, 2011 at 06:07 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-is-there-machida-talks.39082/
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If Rampage loses:
Isn't Anderson Silva getting the chance to avenge his loss, via DQ, to Yushin Okami?
 
Originally posted by: MDH
Date: May 27, 2011 at 08:42 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-is-there-machida-talks.39082/
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truescourge said:
I read about Jones saying Rampage or Machida are possible opponents. How is Machida in the mix? DW said he was in trouble before he fought Couture, and although Couture is a legend in the sport, one win does not put someone in title contention, especially not a win over a top 5 guy. Machida basically lost two to Shogun and lost to Rampage, so one solid win in 4 fights should in no shape put Machida in line. If Rampage loses, which I don't think he will, Machida should still not be considered. Thoughts?
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You can't have it both ways. He won a close decision to Shogun and lost a close decision to Rampage yet you want to try and count both of those as losses. If you start trying to play the "what if" game one could argue he's "really 3-1 in his last 4 fights."
Fact is he's 2-2. I agree with you though he is a fight or two away from another title shot unless injuries derail rampage and Evans. If something happens to those two fighters there is nobody else more deserving than a title shot than Machida.
 
Originally posted by: mabrown45
Date: May 27, 2011 at 10:20 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-is-there-machida-talks.39082/
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don't worry folks.........machida will be back to his boring days soon enough........the fact that he had a highlight reel KO of a man nearing diaper age means nothing. The only reason he got that KO is because he wasn't afraid to stand with Randy........you put him up against another other LHW and about 70% of the time he will be "Mr elusive guy" who waits till round three before doing anything but running around.
 
Originally posted by: residency
Date: May 27, 2011 at 10:44 AM
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FrontKick_Ryback said:
Who else if Rampage loses? I would rather see Machida/Bones than Hamill/Bones II. Maybe you could throw Forrest in there if he beats Shogun but that time frame will screw everything up. Not sure what other options there are at this point.
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I agree with this post entirely.
The time frame is the only reason Jones got a title shot in the first place. After Rampage turned the fight down, there was quite literally only the winner of Jones vs Bader left. If Rampage loses to Hamill, there's only Hamill and Machida left. Who in the right mind is going to pay to see Hamill get massacred again?
 
Originally posted by: Dethroner
Date: May 28, 2011 at 01:51 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/why-is-there-machida-talks.39082/
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Maybe because his only losses have been to former UFC champions....???..// :roll:
and one was split decision the other one he won the first time (controversial)
 
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