Why make it a non-title fight Bellater??
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Josemmaman said:
I don't understand as to why they would make it a non title fight when Huerta is fighting the champ. To me, that makes no sense. What would happen if Huerta won and dominated, would the title belt end up meaning anything?
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Total speculation, but Im guessing that it has something to do with Roger wanting out of his Bellator contract and it would look bad if he won and then left a fight or two later.
What is more likely though, is that Roger didnt win the tourney, so he shouldnt get a title shot just because the tourney winner is hurt. If Bellator wants to be known as the league that crowns true champions and doesnt give title shots just based off of popularity, then they couldnt give the shot to Roger. It would make Bjorn a liar and a hypocrite.
He wouldn't look like a hypocrite if he gave a title shot to Imada. (runner-up steps in as alternate for injured winner). For all we know Imada wasn't available either, so Huerta was next in line. In which case it should be a title shot. Curran is still #1 contender for whoever is champ when he's ready.
I agree about the non-title fights weakening their belts. Although everyone gets on Strikeforce for giving title shots off losses, at least it makes sense with bellator's tournament format.
coblo said:
He wouldn't look like a hypocrite if he gave a title shot to Imada. (runner-up steps in as alternate for injured winner). For all we know Imada wasn't available either, so Huerta was next in line. In which case it should be a title shot. Curran is still #1 contender for whoever is champ when he's ready.
I agree about the non-title fights weakening their belts. Although everyone gets on Strikeforce for giving title shots off losses, at least it makes sense with bellator's tournament format.
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Personally I think it would make Bjorn a hypocrite. Everytime he gets on the air he talks about how the tourneys produce true champions and true contenders, and they arent just thrown in b/c of popularity or b/c a promoter likes one fighter better, etc. If that is his goal, then giving a title shot to a guy who did not win the tourney would mean that he is going against everything that he complained about. I dont mind the fight, I just dont think Huerta deserves the title shot, Imada either for that matter.
grapple420 said:
I dont mind the fight, I just dont think Huerta deserves the title shot, Imada either for that matter.
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So do you think Hansen shouldn't have gotten the shot at Aoki for the DREAM title after Alvarez got hurt? I think injury is just something that has to be dealt with in tournaments. As Big Country understands, part of the game is staying healthy until you have won the whole thing. In this case, that includes the title belt.
At least we know Curran should get first crack once he's healthy. If Curran ended up being injured for a year and Alvarez loses three non-title bouts that would be pretty lame that he gets to fight for the title anyway.
(This is all in reference to Imada being deserving. If Bjorn just picked Huerta cause he is more famous this whole argument is out the window)
coblo said:
grapple420 said:
I dont mind the fight, I just dont think Huerta deserves the title shot, Imada either for that matter.
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So do you think Hansen shouldn't have gotten the shot at Aoki for the DREAM title after Alvarez got hurt? I think injury is just something that has to be dealt with in tournaments. As Big Country understands, part of the game is staying healthy until you have won the whole thing. In this case, that includes the title belt.
At least we know Curran should get first crack once he's healthy. If Curran ended up being injured for a year and Alvarez loses three non-title bouts that would be pretty lame that he gets to fight for the title anyway.
(This is all in reference to Imada being deserving. If Bjorn just picked Huerta cause he is more famous this whole argument is out the window)
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I guess my beef with the whole situation is the fact that Bjorn keeps harping on the fact that the tourney produces a true champion and a true contender. If he gives a title shot to someone who lost in the semis of the tourney, before the tourney winner gets a shot, he isnt really following the formula he claims makes Bellator so awesome.
If Huerta gets a shot, why wasnt Neers shot for the title, or Jay Silvas or Whisper Goodmans?
Dream is completely different b/c I dont remember anyone from Dream making the claims at having true champs and contenders instead of title shots going to whoever the org wants.
Bjorn continues to take shots at other orgs when he speaks of them giving title shots to people that would make the org the most $$$. He is a hypocrite b/c he is about to do the same thing.
grapple420 said:
coblo said:
grapple420 said:
I dont mind the fight, I just dont think Huerta deserves the title shot, Imada either for that matter.
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So do you think Hansen shouldn't have gotten the shot at Aoki for the DREAM title after Alvarez got hurt? I think injury is just something that has to be dealt with in tournaments. As Big Country understands, part of the game is staying healthy until you have won the whole thing. In this case, that includes the title belt.
At least we know Curran should get first crack once he's healthy. If Curran ended up being injured for a year and Alvarez loses three non-title bouts that would be pretty lame that he gets to fight for the title anyway.
(This is all in reference to Imada being deserving. If Bjorn just picked Huerta cause he is more famous this whole argument is out the window)
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I guess my beef with the whole situation is the fact that Bjorn keeps harping on the fact that the tourney produces a true champion and a true contender. If he gives a title shot to someone who lost in the semis of the tourney, before the tourney winner gets a shot, he isnt really following the formula he claims makes Bellator so awesome.
If Huerta gets a shot, why wasnt Neers shot for the title, or Jay Silvas or Whisper Goodmans?
Dream is completely different b/c I dont remember anyone from Dream making the claims at having true champs and contenders instead of title shots going to whoever the org wants.
Bjorn continues to take shots at other orgs when he speaks of them giving title shots to people that would make the org the most $$$. He is a hypocrite b/c he is about to do the same thing.[/
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Edit, he WOULD be a hypocrite IF he did the same thing.
Because win or lose Huerta is probably done with Bellator and is probably looking to sign with Strikeforce or hopefully back with the UFC.
Plus, a 3 round fight favors Alveraz in my opinion. Because the later rounds is where Huerta tends to turn it up, specifically the 3rd, I'm almost certain Roger would pull it off in a 5rounder but a 3rounder is tougher. If that makes sense. :|
Seems like the whole idea of keeping the champions on to fight the next tournament winner is not panning out well. We're stuck watching a bunch of lopsided fights while they wait for a contender and then the contender may not even fight.
Bellator is fun for the tournaments. Maybe they should just forget about keeping a champion. Let's just see who can win the most tournaments.
The winner of the Superbowl doesn't sit out the next NFL season (while playing some exhibition games) to wait to play the winner of those playoffs.
coblo said:
Seems like the whole idea of keeping the champions on to fight the next tournament winner is not panning out well. We're stuck watching a bunch of lopsided fights while they wait for a contender and then the contender may not even fight.
Bellator is fun for the tournaments. Maybe they should just forget about keeping a champion. Let's just see who can win the most tournaments.
The winner of the Superbowl doesn't sit out the next NFL season (while playing some exhibition games) to wait to play the winner of those playoffs.
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Isnt that how Rio Heroes worked? The winner was the winner, but they went into the next tourney of that weight class. They didnt wait to face the next tourney champ.
I miss Rio Heroes.
non-title fights in the champion's weight class is the most ridiculous thing an organization can do. Bellator will eventually end up with their champion losing to a fighter in the weight, just like Pride did with Gomi and Henderson, which completely and utterly destroys the belt.
Moranis said:
non-title fights in the champion's weight class is the most ridiculous thing an organization can do. Bellator will eventually end up with their champion losing to a fighter in the weight, just like Pride did with Gomi and Henderson, which completely and utterly destroys the belt.
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I know man. What is this? Professional Wrestling? It's not like Roger can't make 155 or something. If it was Curran it would have been for the title, even though Curran's track record is pathetic compared to Roger and the fighters Roger has been in the octagon with. Curran is not nearly as famous as Roger.
Belator just put the title on the line geesh