World Cup 2022
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Brick said:
I forgot all about the game today. When I remembered at about 4:30 (ET), I asked Alexa who won, and she told me Iran had eliminated the USA with a 2-1 victory, so I figured we were out. Eventually finished working and checked into it, and found out we won. Alexa originally gave me a score from like 30 years ago or some s---.
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yeah 1998 world cup.
Mexico were really unlucky not to go through today. They were all over Saudi and created and missed a lot of chances. 2-1 was not a fair reflection of the game. Argentina should’ve scored 10 against Poland. Missed so many chances. Missed a penalty. Mexico at 2-0 needed one more goal to go through over Poliand on goal difference and Saudis, who had hardly any chances all game broke away and scored. Very unlucky.
MMAFTM13 said:
Mexico were really unlucky not to go through today. They were all over Saudi and created and missed a lot of chances. 2-1 was not a fair reflection of the game. Argentina should’ve scored 10 against Poland. Missed so many chances. Missed a penalty. Mexico at 2-0 needed one more goal to go through over Poliand on goal difference and Saudis, who had hardly any chances all game broke away and scored. Very unlucky.
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Build the wall!
Not that I care but Germany got screwed big time. VAR didn’t rule this ball going out of play. They had a few angles to get this right and they well and truly f---ed this up. The result means Germany didn’t go through. Two massive teams going out in the first round
MMAFTM13 said:
Not that I care but Germany got screwed big time. VAR didn’t rule this ball going out of play. They had a few angles to get this right and they well and truly f---ed this up. The result means Germany didn’t go through. Two massive teams going out in the first round
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Good.
MMAFTM13 said:
Not that I care but Germany got screwed big time. VAR didn’t rule this ball going out of play. They had a few angles to get this right and they well and truly f---ed this up. The result means Germany didn’t go through. Two massive teams going out in the first round
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Kanye told me that it's because the VAR officials are all Joos.
osubuckeye4 said:
Video Assistance Referee
It's similar to replay in football... but, on steroids because of the number of cameras involved and the rate at which they are capturing everything on the field.
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So how is that Japanese ball not clearly out of bounds? Do they maybe judge it by the circumference of the ball? Like even though the base of the ball was a good 5" out, the circumference is 11.5", so it was still inbounds by .75"? (I made up those numbers, but you the jitz of it.)
or, Jew corruption?
Seawall said:
So how is that Japanese ball not clearly out of bounds? Do they maybe judge it by the circumference of the ball? Like even though the base of the ball was a good 5" out, the circumference is 11.5", so it was still inbounds by .75"? (I made up those numbers, but you the jitz of it.)
or, Jew corruption?
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The way I understand it (and I'm a pretty casual fan... watch a few EPL games every year along with the World Cup every 4 years) is that unlike the NFL where if any part of the body is out of bounds it's out of bounds... in soccer, the entire ball has to be out of bounds. Even if the players entire body and 3/4 of the ball is across the end-line, as long as a sliver of the ball remains in contact with the line, it's a live ball.
My only explanation for the Japan goal being allowed is that if you extend a line from the edge of the ball down to the ground, the furthest fringe portion of the ball might have been touching the furthest part of the end line.
Personally, when I watched it in real time it looked clearly out of bounds.
Also... this whole VAR thing has been a huge mess. So many goals overturned because the VAR officials were following the letter of the rule, and not the spirit of it. There have been a few overturned where a player was completely out of the play on the other side of the field, but technically offsides, and they disallowed otherwise good goals because of it.
I don't know what the solution is (other than make sure you're always onsides, no matter what), but it's very frustrating as a fan and I'm sure if you're a player it has to be completely maddening.
osubuckeye4 said:
The way I understand it (and I'm a pretty casual fan... watch a few EPL games every year along with the World Cup every 4 years) is that unlike the NFL where if any part of the body is out of bounds it's out of bounds... in soccer, the entire ball has to be out of bounds. Even if 3/4 of the ball is across the end-line, as long as a sliver of the ball remains in contact with the line, it's a live ball.
My only explanation for the Japan goal being allowed is that if you extend a line from the edge of the ball down to the ground, the furthest fringe portion of the ball might have been touching the furthest part of the end line.
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That's what I was getting at with my maths.
That is also a completely insane Jew rule.
Seawall said:
That's what I was getting at with my maths.
That is also a completely insane rule.
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The rules are very weird... and I've seen very inconsistent application of them throughout the World Cup.
Sometimes goals are disallowed because a player on the other side of the field was technically out of bounds because even though he was trying to get back onside and running in the opposite direction of the action, he didn't sprint back fast enough after a deflection... other times they replay the goal and you can see a player off to the far side of the field who is 4-5 feet past the nearest defender and clearly offside and making no attempt to get onside, but they don't call it because they deem the player out of the play.
I don't get it and I don't know how you fix it because it's so all over the place.
I understand why they have the offside rule.. if they didn't have it, there would be no midfield game and you'd just have goalies bombing kicks back and forth to one another while strikers camped out near the goal try to play the ball.
I don't understand why the offside rules are so rigid for situations where players are clearly not trying to gain an advantage... like on deflections where the offense was running towards the goal, and then the defender (who is facing the opposite direction and can see/react quicker) makes a play on the ball and that forces the offensive player to be offside.
osubuckeye4 said:
The rules are very weird...
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Serious question. Are there a set of World-wide rules for soccer? Or do each of the thousands of leagues have their own ruleset?
I just read that Ronald signed with Saudi Ariba for like 250 million a year. Will he have to adapt to a whole new ruleset?
Seawall said:
Serious question. Are there a set of World-wide rules for soccer? Or do each of the thousands of leagues have their own ruleset?
I just read that Ronald signed with Saudi Ariba for like 250 million a year. Will he have to adapt to a whole new ruleset?
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I believe that the laws/rules are pretty universal... at least at the top of the sport. You might find some non-IFAB sanctioned leagues that have different rules, but the vast majority of soccer clubs are using the IFAB laws.
Some leagues do make tweaks like allowing more or less substitutions over the course of the match, but things like offside and what is/isn't a foul are universal.
That said, while the highest levels like the World Cup and the EPL have it, VAR itself isn't universal... mostly because it costs a fortune to implement, especially at the level that the World Cup is using it.
osubuckeye4 said:
The rules are very weird... and I've seen very inconsistent application of them throughout the World Cup.
Sometimes goals are disallowed because a player on the other side of the field was technically out of bounds because even though he was trying to get back onside and running in the opposite direction of the action, he didn't sprint back fast enough after a deflection... other times they replay the goal and you can see a player off to the far side of the field who is 4-5 feet past the nearest defender and clearly offside and making no attempt to get onside, but they don't call it because they deem the player out of the play.
I don't get it and I don't know how you fix it because it's so all over the place.
I understand why they have the offside rule.. if they didn't have it, there would be no midfield game and you'd just have goalies bombing kicks back and forth to one another while strikers camped out near the goal try to play the ball.
I don't understand why the offside rules are so rigid for situations where players are clearly not trying to gain an advantage... like on deflections where the offense was running towards the goal, and then the defender (who is facing the opposite direction and can see/react quicker) makes a play on the ball and that forces the offensive player to be offside.
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For some reason, I thought a player was only offsides if he touched the ball while offsides. Seems like that is how it should be treated
Sedulous said:
For some reason, I thought a player was only offsides if he touched the ball while offsides. Seems like that is how it should be treated
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Yea, that's where it's subjective.
A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee, involved in active play by: • interfering with play; or • interfering with an opponent; or • gaining an advantage by being in that position.
It pretty much comes down to the official (on the field or in the VAR booth) to subjectively determine if the player was involved in the play or not.
The most egregious one I saw was where a player put a ball on goal and his momentum caused him to slide behind the goal, the goalie then deflected his shot to the other side of the pitch and someone on the opposing team collected the ball, then passed it to the center of the field and a 3rd offensive striker put it in for a goal.
Oh no, not a goal... offside because the guy who initially put the ball on net never got back up and sprinted back onto the field and onside. Never mind the fact that he between him putting the shot on goal and two other players touching it, the opposing goalie also touched it.
It's all very weird... I would have thought that the goalie touching the ball would have reset any kind of offside.. but that's apparently not the case.
But then I've seen other goals that were allowed and there was an offensive player within 5-6 feet of the ball (who didn't touch the ball) who was clearly offside... but they officials determine he wasn't actively involved in the play and they let it slide.
For all the people who say that the rules are clear... I disagree. The rules start to get pretty subjective when you involve VAR and pause time and view things by the tenth of a second from every angle and allow people in a booth to pontificate on things while the action is stopped.