This part I do agree. These things should be done behind close doors where the victims' kin can get their closure and see the bastard dead.
There will be the second there is an opportunity. If the right Jihadi John with a camera and a flair for the dramatic has an opportunity to drag an American or two into a dungeon....there will be blood.
Attention. And because they think it will frighten and intimidate the West.
Point 1, they don't need this execution to do that, and this execution wont move to needle much in speeding up their timetable to do it.
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Well, then we're mostly in agreement. My beef here is with televising this. I'm not morally opposed to the death penalty in his case; not at all. I just feel that ADX is not only a worse fate, I do also strongly feel it is a far better deterrent.
I'm not saying it will cause huge rises in terrorism. But if even one American is killed on camera as a direct result of this, it is not worth it. I don't see any upside.
This is where we fundamentally disagree. I don't believe even 1% that they would be terrified of this. I have never heard that this is a major cultural thing over there. And on top of that, Arabs and other Muslim majority populations are brutalized far worse by their own leaders. A clean, clinical execution with minimal suffering is simply not a deterrent. Especially not if they believe that execution is a mere stepping stone to eternal paradise and a favorable disposition with an all powerful god. I just don't believe that.
Agreed, if the nation doing the executing was a Muslim nation, and not one run by infidels.
Exactly. They are a death cult who worships death more than we worship life (by their own admission). Getting executed on live TV by the Americans is probably about the highest honor we can award to one of these fucksticks. Instant and eternal martyrdom.
We will have to agree to disagree, particularly on your last sentence. I don't believe a young, aspiring Jihadi has any care for what happens on the Internet after he has his 72 virgins in eternal paradise. But, I always respect your thoughts.
This, this, this. Jawbone and I are on opposite ends of that idea, but I wholeheartedly agree. I would be willing to bet that Nidal whateverthefuckhisnameis thanked Allah for this public execution. I feel like for an aspiring Jihadi, this is the best possible outcome.
I think that Muslims and Christians have different ideas of what martyrdom look like, and radical Muslims do care on some level how they look when they go. Like the Imperial Japanese fighting to the death because being captured and beheaded by an enemy force and specifically a non-Japanese would be a great shame on their family honor.
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I was really surprised as well. I had forgotten about him and would have assumed he was doing life in ADX or was dead already. And that is one of my biggest problems with this announcement: most of the world had forgotten him and he is now notorious again.
I would understand that if it were regular prison, where one can have some kind of life if tough and crafty enough. ADX Florence is different. That is pure torture. Look at this picture of Robert Hanssen after decades of life alone in that box:
See above. I can't see how you can argue life in there is better if you know the details of life in there. And what happens to people when they lose their mind in that box. Nightmarish stuff.
Agreed. In my opinion, we should use death less often, but be far more efficient in carrying it out. Due to it not being terribly hard to convict an innocent person, I do strongly feel that it should be reserved for cases where there is really no doubt, like Nidal, and the really heinous crimes like terrorism and serious crimes against children.
I would understand that if it were regular prison, where one can have some kind of life if tough and crafty enough. ADX Florence is different. That is pure torture. Look at this picture of Robert Hanssen after decades of life alone in that box:
That is the look of a completely broken person who knows nothing but loneliness, despair, and sorrow.
If you don't know the details of what life is like in ADX, I suggest you look into it. That place really shouldn't exist, to be honest. Anyone bad enough to be in there should probably just be put down. I'd rather take death ten times over than do life in that hellhole.
See above. I can't see how you can argue life in there is better if you know the details of life in there. And what happens to people when they lose their mind in that box. Nightmarish stuff.
He's proud of what he's done so that's not very effective