10th planet Jiu-Jitsu

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Johnny419
Date: February 16, 2010 at 12:52 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/10th-planet-jiu-jitsu.22532/

A lot of people like to trash the 10th planet system, some people say all you need to do is stack the guy and rubber guard is useless. I'd like to see someone stack their opponent in the zombie or better yet in crackhead control.
The day I see someone in MMA use the electric chair or truck position...I'm gonna s--- myself.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: wolf
Date: February 16, 2010 at 02:02 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/10th-planet-jiu-jitsu.22532/

Johnny419 said:
A lot of people like to trash the 10th planet system, some people say all you need to do is stack the guy and rubber guard is useless. I'd like to see someone stack their opponent in the
zombie
or better yet in
crackhead control.
The day I see someone in MMA use the
electric chair or truck position
...I'm gonna s**t myself.
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I think I just s--- myself trying to understand what you were saying.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Sedulous
Date: February 16, 2010 at 02:13 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/10th-planet-jiu-jitsu.22532/

wolf said:
Johnny419 said:
A lot of people like to trash the 10th planet system, some people say all you need to do is stack the guy and rubber guard is useless. I'd like to see someone stack their opponent in the
zombie
or better yet in
crackhead control.
The day I see someone in MMA use the
electric chair or truck position
...I'm gonna s**t myself.
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I think I just s**t myself trying to understand what you were saying.
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+1 Is this kinky S&M or jiu-jitsu?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ChiTownMMA
Date: February 16, 2010 at 03:45 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/10th-planet-jiu-jitsu.22532/

'My Tiger Claw is stronger than your Crane Technique'.
The beauty of BJJ is that it has infinite possibilities and set-ups. The best closed-guard fighters will eventually get their guards broken and then have to adapt with an open guard, or use an open guard to reset the closed guard.
The best rubber guard guys are going to eventually get stacked, with a ton of weight on their shoulders and neck, and won't be able to mount any attacks from that uncomfortable position. They may have to move their feet to their opponent's hips, create space, and reset from there.
There are layers to each guard and each guard's pass and each guard's sweeps and submissions. There are equivalent layers for your opponents within your guard (whatever that guard that you are utilizing is).
I think what Eddie Bravo has brought to light is that there are more options than what is out there, and he's adapted his tremendous flexibility to help him out positionally in BJJ. If you can hip escape (or have mobile hips), break your opponent's posture, or control the distance between you and your opponent effectivley, no matter what guard you're in, you've got a huge advantage over him/her.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Johnny419
Date: February 16, 2010 at 04:00 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/10th-planet-jiu-jitsu.22532/

wolf said:
Johnny419 said:
A lot of people like to trash the 10th planet system, some people say all you need to do is stack the guy and rubber guard is useless. I'd like to see someone stack their opponent in the
zombie
or better yet in
crackhead control.
The day I see someone in MMA use the
electric chair or truck position
...I'm gonna s**t myself.
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I think I just s**t myself trying to understand what you were saying.
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They are different positions in the 10th planet system.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Atomdanger
Date: February 16, 2010 at 05:09 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/10th-planet-jiu-jitsu.22532/

Eddie is over rated IMO.
He doesn't have a very impressive grappling pedigree,
and I don't see 10th Planet students winning the worlds or being UFC / SF / Dream Champions.
The rubber guard isn't completely new, he just put his name on it, made some "improvements" and called it his own.
That and he works with no Gi, good if you're only worrying about MMA I suppose, but takes away any real world applications.
When was the last time you saw a street fight where nobody was wearing clothing?
Great at marketing his stuff, smart guy, probably very cool, but lacking the credentials to deserve the credit he has.
Rogan trains with him, thats why you get an ear full at every UFC event.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Atomdanger
Date: February 16, 2010 at 05:11 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/10th-planet-jiu-jitsu.22532/

darcebandit said:
Bisping, Hardy, Sotiropoulus, Hazelett, Day, Penn, Aoki, Hathaway, Mir, McRory, Liddell and others I can't really remember. All have trained with Eddie Bravo. Those names solidify his legitimacy, they wouldn't go there if they didn't think they could learn something which would REALLY help their game.
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How many stayed with him? NONE. (Ok, I think hardy still works with him)

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: wolf
Date: February 16, 2010 at 05:15 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/10th-planet-jiu-jitsu.22532/

Atomdanger said:
Eddie is over rated IMO.
He doesn't have a very impressive grappling pedigree,
and I don't see 10th Planet students winning the worlds or being UFC / SF / Dream Champions.
The rubber guard isn't completely new, he just put his name on it, made some "improvements" and called it his own.
That and he works with no Gi, good if you're only worrying about MMA I suppose, but takes away any real world applications.
When was the last time you saw a street fight where nobody was wearing clothing?
Great at marketing his stuff, smart guy, probably very cool, but lacking the credentials to deserve the credit he has.
Rogan trains with him, thats why you get an ear full at every UFC event.
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Atom, when was the last time a gracie won the worlds, ADCC, or a title in the UFC / SF / Dream Championships. You don't, you see complete MMA fighters winning these titles. And I'd like you to show me proof that the rubber guard isn't completely new, and that he just improved it and put his name on it. Got any? And when was the last time you saw someone in the streets with a fucken thick white robe on?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: grapplethis
Date: February 16, 2010 at 05:19 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/10th-planet-jiu-jitsu.22532/

Atomdanger said:
Eddie is over rated IMO.
He doesn't have a very impressive grappling pedigree,
and I don't see 10th Planet students winning the worlds or being UFC / SF / Dream Champions.
The rubber guard isn't completely new, he just put his name on it, made some "improvements" and called it his own.
That and he works with no Gi, good if you're only worrying about MMA I suppose, but takes away any real world applications.
When was the last time you saw a street fight where nobody was wearing clothing?
Great at marketing his stuff, smart guy, probably very cool, but lacking the credentials to deserve the credit he has.
Rogan trains with him, thats why you get an ear full at every UFC event.
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Atomdanger said:
darcebandit said:
Bisping, Hardy, Sotiropoulus, Hazelett, Day, Penn, Aoki, Hathaway, Mir, McRory, Liddell and others I can't really remember. All have trained with Eddie Bravo. Those names solidify his legitimacy, they wouldn't go there if they didn't think they could learn something which would REALLY help their game.
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How many stayed with him? NONE. (Ok, I think hardy still works with him)
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the rubber guard is effective with a gi on as well, there's just easier ways to get done what it gets done that don't require so much flexibility.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Atomdanger
Date: February 16, 2010 at 06:49 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/10th-planet-jiu-jitsu.22532/

wolf said:
Atom, when was the last time a gracie won the worlds, ADCC, or a title in the UFC / SF / Dream Championships. You don't, you see complete MMA fighters winning these titles. And I'd like you to show me proof that the rubber guard isn't completely new, and that he just improved it and put his name on it. Got any? And when was the last time you saw someone in the streets with a fucken thick white robe on?
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When was the last time a student of the Gracies won the worlds?
Almost every year.
and I know Kron has won from like 05 - 08.
Student's of Gracie Jiu Jitsu include = GSP, Serra, BJ Penn, Anderson Silva, Big Nog, Brock Lesnar, Nate/Nick Diaz, etc..
You cannot compare the Gracie Family heritage and evidence of their method to Eddie Bravo's.
The Gi symbolizes clothing. It doesn't have to be a white robe, you're going to have clothes on in a street fight, period.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: grapplethis
Date: February 16, 2010 at 06:54 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/10th-planet-jiu-jitsu.22532/

to be fair, the gracie academy of schools is f---ing massive. 10th planet does have a network of gyms, but i'd be surprised if it's 10% of what Gracie JJ has around the world.
if you want to look at h2h competition, the only time a true 10th planet disciple (not someone like bisping who just came in to learn somethings, but someone that goes from white to black under bravo) competed against a gracie, it was bravo vs. royler and eddie bravo won, as we all know
but that is just one fight, it just happens to be the only example i can think of. i know that in grappling tournaments on the island here and on the mainland in vancouver, the 10th planet guys do very very well in competition.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: wolf
Date: February 16, 2010 at 06:56 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/10th-planet-jiu-jitsu.22532/

Atomdanger said:
wolf said:
Atom, when was the last time a gracie won the worlds, ADCC, or a title in the UFC / SF / Dream Championships. You don't, you see complete MMA fighters winning these titles. And I'd like you to show me proof that the rubber guard isn't completely new, and that he just improved it and put his name on it. Got any? And when was the last time you saw someone in the streets with a fucken thick white robe on?
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When was the last time a student of the Gracies won the worlds?
Almost every year.
and I know Kron has won from like 05 - 08.
Student's of Gracie Jiu Jitsu include = GSP, Serra, BJ Penn, Anderson Silva, Big Nog, Brock Lesnar, Nate/Nick Diaz, etc..
You cannot compare the Gracie Family heritage and evidence of their method to Eddie Bravo's.
The Gi symbolizes clothing. It doesn't have to be a white robe, you're going to have clothes on in a street fight, period.
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I just don't get why you're so bent out of shape about Eddie Bravo and his style of Jiu-Jitsu. Is your last name gracie? Did someone who's a 10th planet student beat you in a grappling tourny or something? This thread was for people to discuss the system and what it's about, not try to discredit the system or eddie bravo's pedigree.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Atomdanger
Date: February 16, 2010 at 07:02 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/10th-planet-jiu-jitsu.22532/

For Wolf.
Gracie's and direct Gracie student's who have won the worlds, and have held major MMA titles.
(just off the top of my head)
Kron Gracie = Literally like 5 world titles. Worlds, Pan Ams, etc...
"Xande" Ribeiro = 10X World Champion (including his ADCC titles)
Saulo Ribeiro = 6x Worlds Champ, 2X ADCC Champ
GSP = Current UFC WW Champion, Renzo Gracie Student.
Matt Serra = Former UFC WW Champion, Renzo Student.
Brock Lesnar = Former Royce Gracie Student, UFC HW Champion.
BJ Penn = Current UFC LW Champion, Ralph Gracie student, got his BB from Carlson Gracie student Andre Pederneiras.
I could go on and on and on and on.
Please show me what guys Eddie has brought up that have a more impressive resume? and no, working with guys for 3 days in a seminar doesn't count.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Atomdanger
Date: February 16, 2010 at 07:04 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/10th-planet-jiu-jitsu.22532/

wolf said:
I just don't get why you're so bent out of shape about Eddie Bravo and his style of Jiu-Jitsu. Is your last name gracie? Did someone who's a 10th planet student beat you in a grappling tourny or something? This thread was for people to discuss the system and what it's about, not try to discredit the system or eddie bravo's pedigree.
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I am not bent out of shape about it at all, I think he is a great guy who has some smart marketing skills.
But I think he is over rated.
I stated WHY I feel he is over rated, thats all.
His hype isn't backed by a resume or results.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: wolf
Date: February 16, 2010 at 07:04 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/10th-planet-jiu-jitsu.22532/

Atomdanger said:
For Wolf.
Gracie's and direct Gracie student's who have won the worlds, and have held major MMA titles.
(just off the top of my head)
Kron Gracie = Literally like 5 world titles. Worlds, Pan Ams, etc...
"Xande" Ribeiro = 10X World Champion (including his ADCC titles)
Saulo Ribeiro = 6x Worlds Champ, 2X ADCC Champ
GSP = Current UFC WW Champion, Renzo Gracie Student.
Matt Serra = Former UFC WW Champion, Renzo Student.
Brock Lesnar = Former Royce Gracie Student, UFC HW Champion.
BJ Penn = Current UFC LW Champion, Ralph Gracie student, got his BB from Carlson Gracie student Andre Pederneiras.
I could go on and on and on and on.
Please show me what guys Eddie has brought up that have a more impressive resume? and no, working with guys for 3 days in a seminar doesn't count.
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Dude read my above post. Why do you hate so much on 10th planet? I wasn't trying to say 10th planet was better than Gracie Jiu-Jitsu, That wasn't my point. You just came in here saying all this BS trying to trash bravo's name and his system.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: grapplethis
Date: February 16, 2010 at 07:05 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/10th-planet-jiu-jitsu.22532/

again, atom, where did you decide that this was a thread in which to bash the system?
and were can you show me that it doesn't work? cuz i'm pretty sure i've been caught in a white belt's rubber guard and had troubles with it.
legit system. uncover your eyes and branch out your mindset.
and when did hte gracies stop naming kid's with "R" names? wtf is this "kron" bulls---. some sort of gracie cyborg probably.
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hell NO one has said it's BETTER than gracie JJ. all i've personally said is that it is very effective when done well. when i'm in someone's guard, i'd much rather be in a traditional closed guard than in rubber guard, because if you do'nt know how to do rubber guard yourself your'e not going to be great at breaking it. i know how to work closed guard so i get how it works pretty much. but i hate when my coaches or the 10th planet guys that come in sometiems full rubber guard on me.
it's very tough to work against it if you haven't yourself trained with it. just look at how bravo himself gave royler fits with it and beat him. and we're not just takling about some random gracie, we're talking about one of the best competition grapplers in the family's history.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: grapplethis
Date: February 16, 2010 at 07:13 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/10th-planet-jiu-jitsu.22532/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4ASonA9t6c
please find a way to show me how eddie bravo isn't legit?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Johnny419
Date: February 16, 2010 at 07:16 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/10th-planet-jiu-jitsu.22532/

grapplethis said:
it's very tough to work against it if you haven't yourself trained with it.
just look at how bravo himself gave royler fits with it and beat him. and we're not just takling about some random gracie, we're talking about one of the best competition grapplers in the family's history.
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Very true, whenever I found myself in half guard at Grappler's Quest and used the lockdown (a form of half guard that inhibits the opponent's movement by isolating and putting pressure on the calf) and the opponents I used it on seemed pretty confused. Hopefully I give my rubber guard a try at the next tourney but idk if my flexibility is up to par yet.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: wolf
Date: February 16, 2010 at 07:24 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/10th-planet-jiu-jitsu.22532/

grapplethis said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4ASonA9t6c
please find a way to show me how eddie bravo isn't legit?
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so sick. It still boggles my mind how he's able to grab his wrist, stick it out and just snake his leg in under his arm like that and slap it on so quickly and tightly. Freakin nuts. You can tell at the time that gracie is just dumb founded on what to do when he's in his rubber guard lol.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: grapplethis
Date: February 16, 2010 at 07:27 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/10th-planet-jiu-jitsu.22532/

Johnny419 said:
grapplethis said:
it's very tough to work against it if you haven't yourself trained with it.
just look at how bravo himself gave royler fits with it and beat him. and we're not just takling about some random gracie, we're talking about one of the best competition grapplers in the family's history.
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Very true, whenever I found myself in half guard at Grappler's Quest and used the lockdown (a form of half guard that inhibits the opponent's movement by isolating and putting pressure on the calf) and the opponents I used it on seemed pretty confused. Hopefully I give my rubber guard a try at the next tourney but idk if my flexibility is up to par yet.
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you do'nt need much flexibility to get mission control. it's working from there that gets tough. but i'm flexible enough to pull it off just to mission control.
lockdown ftw! i've tapped guys with lock down before. just used it as a calf crush. the only thing is it kidn of inhibits your movement. you can use it for sweeps and hip escapes but you have to set up the escape, THEN break lockdown and actually do the escape.