Sedulous said:
I guess you really weren't paying attention. Mir didn't have anything for Cormier besides a few high kicks that never landed and Cormier never slowed down. It was an easy 30-27 for Cormier. "Barely" is not an accurate way to describe his win. You might give that fight a second watch. (Although I wouldn't recommend it, kind of a snoozer)
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Saw the fight, wasn't impressed (and yes it sucked). He should have been able to KO him considering Mir did nothing the entire fight and its not like he hasn't been KO'd in that exact same position (Carwin). That's the point. Mir was stuck against the cage and Cormier barely did anything to him. If Mir pushes a bit more in rounds 2/3 he could have won it on the scorecards. That's a "barely" win in my eyes. The 3 LHWs listed are all more well rounded and faster than Frank Mir.
Reckin007 said:
Saw the fight, wasn't impressed (and yes it sucked). He should have been able to KO him considering Mir did nothing the entire fight and its not like he hasn't been KO'd in that exact same position (Carwin). That's the point. Mir was stuck against the cage and Cormier barely did anything to him. If Mir pushes a bit more in rounds 2/3 he could have won it on the scorecards. That's a "barely" win in my eyes. The 3 LHWs listed are all more well rounded and faster than Frank Mir.
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I think you are making too many assumptions here and not giving Cormier enough credit. Mir didn't push it "a bit more in rounds 2/3" because Cormier shut him down. There was nothing Mir could do. You also seem to be expect Cormier to punch as hard in the clinch as Carwin does. That just seems silly. Cormier had some Octagon jitters but he worked through them and won the fight handily.
Those three LHW might be faster than Mir but Cormier is as fast as any of them. He might not be a striking phenom (although he's decent) and he's not a high level BJJ black belt but his wrestling is arguably better than anyone's in MMA. I think you are vastly underestimating what Cormier is capable of LHW. I'm not convinced he'd beat Jones but I think he'd beat any other LHW.
Sedulous said:
I think you are making too many assumptions here and not giving Cormier enough credit. Mir didn't push it "a bit more in rounds 2/3" because Cormier shut him down. There was nothing Mir could do. You also seem to be expect Cormier to punch as hard in the clinch as Carwin does. That just seems silly. Cormier had some Octagon jitters but he worked through them and won the fight handily.
Those three LHW might be faster than Mir but Cormier is as fast as any of them. He might not be a striking phenom (although he's decent) and he's not a high level BJJ black belt but his wrestling is arguably better than anyone's in MMA. I think you are vastly underestimating what Cormier is capable of LHW. I'm not convinced he'd beat Jones but I think he'd beat any other LHW.
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I have no doubt he's a good wrestler, but at the end of the day that's all he is with some improving aspects of his game still coming together. The LHWs mentioned are way ahead of him skill-wise in everything but wrestling. Like what exactly makes Cormier more dangerous at 205? He can take guys down yes, but he can do that at HW as well. Except now he's going away from bubble top 10-15 HWs to the top 5 guys of the LHW division, which are faster and all have KO power. Just because Jon Jones looks unbeatable doesn't mean these guys under him aren't more skilled than the HWs Cormier has fought. I'm just not going to overestimate Cormier's ability at 205 simply because he was a HW fighter and can take guys down at will. Every fight is going to spend time on the feet and a lot of fighters are becoming better at blocking takedowns.
Reckin007 said:
I have no doubt he's a good wrestler, but at the end of the day that's all he is with some improving aspects of his game still coming together. The LHWs mentioned are way ahead of him skill-wise in everything but wrestling. Like what exactly makes Cormier more dangerous at 205? He can take guys down yes, but he can do that at HW as well. Except now he's going away from bubble top 10-15 HWs to the top 5 guys of the LHW division, which are faster and all have KO power. Just because Jon Jones looks unbeatable doesn't mean these guys under him aren't more skilled than the HWs Cormier has fought. I'm just not going to overestimate Cormier's ability at 205 simply because he was a HW fighter and can take guys down at will. Every fight is going to spend time on the feet and a lot of fighters are becoming better at blocking takedowns.
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You are definitely underestimating Cormier. You do realize that he KO'd the current HW title challenger less than 2 years ago right? He's also out struck pretty much all of his opponents on the feet. I'm not saying he's out striking incredible high level strikers but his striking is good enough to hang with any LHW and avoid getting stopped. He also obviously has the power to KO anyone. No one has KO'd Bigfoot the way Cormier did. The point is Cormier can put the fight anywhere he needs to be. If he is winning on the feet, he can keep on the feet and no one can do anything about it. If isn't winning on the feet, he can put his opponent on the ground almost at will and he isn't getting subbed. His sub defense and striking ability is more than adequate to avoid being stopped.
If Cormier ever fights any of the three above mentioned guys, I'll gladly do an avatar bet with you.
darcebandit said:
That's a good idea, that would only take a year to decide a new contender at best.
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That's fine. Jones can fight Silva in the meantime
Tournies don't inspire me with confidence. Look at the flyweight tournament. They had one job, if it's a draw go to a sudden victory round. They f--- up the score cards and slow down the whole division by a few months.
darcebandit said:
Tournies don't inspire me with confidence. Look at the flyweight tournament. They had one job, if it's a draw go to a sudden victory round. They f--- up the score cards and slow down the whole division by a few months.
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lol very true. Or the injury bug hits.
