Black Belt in BJJ becoming Overrated

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: EdoKaz818
Date: July 02, 2010 at 12:02 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/black-belt-in-bjj-becoming-overrated.27416/

Ok this is not a thread knocking off BJJ or anything of that sort nor did i probably word the thread title correctly according to what im going to write. Also dont know if its been posted. Bored on Addys so feel like writing sorry =D
Is it me or is having a black belt in BJJ becoming a litle overrated. You always hear that as a dramatic factor that will make a change once it hits the ground but countless time you see a fihgter who isnt a black belt not only nulify the black belt but almost finish or finish the fighter off.
Fights like Thiago vs Kampman or Shields vs Mayhem
is it becoming like Wrestling where fighters who dont have the credentials for it are beating fighters who do have the credentials for it at that specific discipline. Reminds me sort GSP who outwrestles everyone.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Hitman21
Date: July 02, 2010 at 12:08 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/black-belt-in-bjj-becoming-overrated.27416/

Rashad Evans gives BJJ Black Belt a bad name

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Lasse
Date: July 02, 2010 at 12:09 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/black-belt-in-bjj-becoming-overrated.27416/

I think that the main reason for this is that people have found a way to get around BJJ by either learning how to avoid the submissions, or trying to learn BJJ of their own in order to avoid getting into trouble as soon as he/she hits the ground. Back in 1995 BJJ was a rather obscure martial art in MMA, thus people didn't know how to counter it.
After 15 years later, people adapted more and more towards BJJ (through mostly wrestling) because people slowly understood that BJJ was a threat, thus they had to better protect themselves from it.
Right now, wrestling has a bigger impact compared to BJJ.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Lasse
Date: July 02, 2010 at 12:33 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/black-belt-in-bjj-becoming-overrated.27416/

Lasse said:
I think that the main reason for this is that people have found a way to get around BJJ by either learning how to avoid the submissions, or trying to learn BJJ of their own in order to avoid getting into trouble as soon as he/she hits the ground. Back in 1995 BJJ was a rather obscure martial art in MMA, thus people didn't know how to counter it.
After 15 years later, people adapted more and more towards BJJ (through mostly wrestling) because people slowly understood that BJJ was a threat, thus they had to better protect themselves from it.
Right now, wrestling has a bigger impact compared to BJJ.
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Rashad Evans gives BJJ Black Belt a bad name
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Aside from having takedowns and ground-control comparable to GSP?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: shaun00
Date: July 02, 2010 at 12:41 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/black-belt-in-bjj-becoming-overrated.27416/

A Black Belt in anything these days is overrated.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Hitman21
Date: July 02, 2010 at 12:44 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/black-belt-in-bjj-becoming-overrated.27416/

Lasse said:
Lasse said:
I think that the main reason for this is that people have found a way to get around BJJ by either learning how to avoid the submissions, or trying to learn BJJ of their own in order to avoid getting into trouble as soon as he/she hits the ground. Back in 1995 BJJ was a rather obscure martial art in MMA, thus people didn't know how to counter it.
After 15 years later, people adapted more and more towards BJJ (through mostly wrestling) because people slowly understood that BJJ was a threat, thus they had to better protect themselves from it.
Right now, wrestling has a bigger impact compared to BJJ.
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edit:
Rashad Evans gives BJJ Black Belt a bad name
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Aside from having takedowns and ground-control comparable to GSP?
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so how is 3 out of 10 take downs he had on Rampage who got right back up after them is anything like GSP's ground control, who keeps the best wrestlers on their back??? :roll:....and that has nothing to do with Rashad's BJJ anyways

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Lasse
Date: July 02, 2010 at 12:45 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/black-belt-in-bjj-becoming-overrated.27416/

who keeps the best wrestlers on their back???
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Alves and Hardy had s--- wrestling. Rampage doesn't

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Hitman21
Date: July 02, 2010 at 12:51 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/black-belt-in-bjj-becoming-overrated.27416/

Lasse said:
who keeps the best wrestlers on their back???
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Alves and Hardy had s**t wrestling. Rampage doesn't
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Kos, Fitch, Hughes....yeah I guess those arent great wrestlers :?
edit: Sarcasm

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: richierichmma
Date: July 02, 2010 at 12:52 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/black-belt-in-bjj-becoming-overrated.27416/

Hitman21 said:
Rashad Evans gives BJJ Black Belt a bad name
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rashad is just so good he hasnt had to use it.
if he wasnt such a good wrestler he would have to use it, or if it was his gameplan but its not.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: thomasrenob
Date: July 02, 2010 at 01:01 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/black-belt-in-bjj-becoming-overrated.27416/

BJJ defense.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: thomasrenob
Date: July 02, 2010 at 01:03 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/black-belt-in-bjj-becoming-overrated.27416/

And also, yeesh, this thread is old as hell. Fedor used to jump in and out of BJJ black belts' guard w/out any problem, but not last Saturday!!!!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: JonnyF
Date: July 02, 2010 at 01:06 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/black-belt-in-bjj-becoming-overrated.27416/

Since there is no standard for a black belt they can range from guys like Rashad to Werdum. If you pay enough and put in the time anyone can get a black belt.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ResoluteProtector
Date: July 02, 2010 at 02:31 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/black-belt-in-bjj-becoming-overrated.27416/

Is having a BJJ Black Belt becoming overrated? This is a loaded question. Hear me out.
This is MMA Junkie, so my response is in reference to MMA. In reference to MMA can a BJJ BB be overrated? Yes! It can be talked up and glorified, just like any fighter or any Martial Art. In general terms is receiving a Black Belt overrated? f--- NO! But incorporating it into MMA that uses, other Martial Arts, like Karate, Maui Thai, Boxing, Wrestling... Any one aspect can appear to be overrated.
End story: there are far to many variables in an MMA fight to say that BJJ is overrated as a whole, or even is overrated in any one fighter or fight.
Disclaimer: It is quite possible that there are some fighters who under the typical circumstances would not have earned a BB, but still have one.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: fishfryer
Date: July 02, 2010 at 08:26 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/black-belt-in-bjj-becoming-overrated.27416/

BJJ isn't really over rated, it is just that the level of competition is higher across the board and BJJ defense has developed to the point that you don't need to know that much BJJ to defend against it. But there are black belts and there are BLACK BELTS. The difference is Demian Maia black belt is blacker than Rashads.
Maybe there needs to be a new color, like in the 70s a gold credit card was a big deal, then the 80s a platinum, then the 90s was the black card, then there is one that only guys like Diddy and Jay Z get that we don't even know the color of, it is like a Plutonium card or something. Maybe we need a titanium belt.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: WittySpaces
Date: July 02, 2010 at 08:38 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/black-belt-in-bjj-becoming-overrated.27416/

fishfryer said:
BJJ isn't really over rated, it is just that the level of competition is higher across the board and BJJ defense has developed to the point that you don't need to know that much BJJ to defend against it. But there are black belts and there are BLACK BELTS. The difference is
Demian Maia black belt is blacker
than Rashads.
Maybe there needs to be a new color, like in the 70s a gold credit card was a big deal, then the 80s a platinum, then the 90s was the black card, then there is one that only guys like Diddy and Jay Z get that we don't even know the color of, it is like a Plutonium card or something. Maybe we need a titanium belt.
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i giggled.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: mabrown45
Date: July 02, 2010 at 09:14 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/black-belt-in-bjj-becoming-overrated.27416/

it is because 90% of martial arts is just a scam to get peoples money........now its a bit different in MMA.
There is no real unified belt system....it all comes from their 'masters'
I could go right now and spend $2,000 and 'train' for a year if I wanted to get my black belt....at some places. It all depends on your teachers.
Go watch Penn and Teller's: Bullsh*t on martial arts......good stuff.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: jaktucke
Date: July 02, 2010 at 10:02 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/black-belt-in-bjj-becoming-overrated.27416/

fishfryer said:
BJJ isn't really over rated, it is just that the level of competition is higher across the board and BJJ defense has developed to the point that you don't need to know that much BJJ to defend against it. But there are black belts and there are BLACK BELTS. The difference is Demian Maia black belt is blacker than Rashads.
Maybe there needs to be a new color, like in the 70s a gold credit card was a big deal, then the 80s a platinum, then the 90s was the black card, then there is one that only guys like Diddy and Jay Z get that we don't even know the color of, it is like a Plutonium card or something. Maybe we need a titanium belt.
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This is genius and hilarious at the same time. I think this is why BJJ, as far as I know, has the stripe system. For example, BJ Penn has a black belt, but Royce Gracie has a 6 stripe black belt or something like that. In theory, the six stripe black belt is more advanced than the plain black belt. This is the system that my teacher uses, and I think it makes a lot of sense. The fact of the matter is, it doesn't matter what color your belt or your opponent's belt is. It matters who can submit the other.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: RearNakedSlam
Date: July 02, 2010 at 03:13 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/black-belt-in-bjj-becoming-overrated.27416/

Who it's from means more than the color.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: bjj_rage
Date: July 02, 2010 at 04:03 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/black-belt-in-bjj-becoming-overrated.27416/

mabrown45 said:
it is because 90% of martial arts is just a scam to get peoples money........now its a bit different in MMA.
There is no real unified belt system....it all comes from their 'masters'
I could go right now and spend $2,000 and 'train' for a year if I wanted to get my black belt....at some places. It all depends on your teachers.
Go watch Penn and Teller's: Bullsh*t on martial arts......good stuff.
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NO YOU CANT!!!
there is no fuking way you or anyone gets a black belt in a year and it doesnt matter how much money you invest.
And to your question, no bbelts arent overrated, is the competitor the one whos overrated, thing is, back in the 90s no body knew s--- about bjj, so jitzers could get away with just technique, right now, top of the food athletes are fighting MMA, not just tough guys, these athletes ALL train in bjj, may be they are not bbelts, but they are top of the food wrestlers who learn bjj defense to stay away from subs, but even this isnt enough when they face a top of the food bjjer... a bbelt means that you have put the time, effort and know the techiniques to make yoursefl a bb, from there, its up to the competitor to be able to apply the techniques he knows, is not like in the worlds or adcc all matches are coming out draws... there is a reason why theres winners and losers, because the level of skills are not the same.
Another thing is that ppl tend to compare top of the food wrestlers against regular bjj bblets, this wrestlers most of the times are total studs, they are the cream of the cream in terms of athletisism (spell) who are match with guys who are just bblets, most of the times arent even athletic guys...well, this wrestlers probably have spent at least 1 or 2 years working on sub defense, with that, is enough for them to stay away from subs and totally control and overpower their bjj opponent... Well, things dramaticly change when they face top of the food bjj practitioners, because most of the times, specially now, is not enough just with having good technique to get win at worlds or adcc and other grappling tournamets, since the art has spread so much, most ppl have extremly good technique, and there is where the physical attributes make a difference...This is not yet a must, since we still have guys hanging on just based on technique like Maia, whos athletic as my grand mother beating guys up because of his superior technique, but maia in the wrestling world woulndt even make dIII, hell, the coach probably wouldnt even allow him to join the team... but In the future, I think guys like maia will not be able to win anymore, athletisim will be a mayor factor, and there is when jitzers will be even more dangerous than what they are now.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: mabrown45
Date: July 02, 2010 at 04:06 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/black-belt-in-bjj-becoming-overrated.27416/

bjj_rage said:
NO YOU CANT!!!
there is no fuking way you or anyone gets a black belt in a year and it doesnt matter how much money you invest.
And to your question, no bbelts arent overrated, is the competitor the one whos overrated, thing is, back in the 90s no body knew s**t about bjj, so jitzers could get away with just technique, right now, top of the food athletes are fighting MMA, not just tough guys, these athletes ALL train in bjj, may be they are not bbelts, but they are top of the food wrestlers who learn bjj defense to stay away from subs, but even this isnt enough when they face a top of the food bjjer... a bbelt means that you have put the time, effort and know the techiniques to make yoursefl a bb, from there, its up to the competitor to be able to apply the techniques he knows, is not like in the worlds or adcc all matches are coming out draws... there is a reason why theres winners and losers, because the level of skills are not the same.
Another thing is that ppl tend to compare top of the food wrestlers against regular bjj bblets, this wrestlers most of the times are total studs, they are the cream of the cream in terms of athletisism (spell) who are match with guys who are just bblets, most of the times arent even athletic guys...well, this wrestlers probably have spent at least 1 or 2 years working on sub defense, with that, is enough for them to stay away from subs and totally control and overpower their bjj opponent... Well, things dramaticly change when they face top of the food bjj practitioners, because most of the times, specially now, is not enough just with having good technique to get win at worlds or adcc and other grappling tournamets, since the art has spread so much, most ppl have extremly good technique, and there is where the physical attributes make a difference...This is not yet a must, since we still have guys hanging on just based on technique like Maia, whos athletic as my grand mother beating guys up because of his superior technique, but maia in the wrestling world woulndt even make dIII, hell, the coach probably wouldnt even allow him to join the team... but In the future, I think guys like maia will not be able to win anymore, athletisim will be a mayor factor, and there is when jitzers will be even more dangerous than what they are now.
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Obviously you fail to read the first part.......no you cannot do that in a true MMA gym, but there are several schools out there...."mom and pop" shops is the example I will give that will pretty much sell you one. You see them all the time several tiny little schools all around towns.