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his chin is definitely above average and solid. but not the premiere chin you expect from a perennial champ. like he said himself, he's been champ so long cause he's great at not getting hit. i mean when was the last time someone punished him like johnny boy did.
thedarkwingduck2k11 said:
his chin is definitely above average and solid. but not the premiere chin you expect from a perennial champ. like he said himself, he's been champ so long cause he's great at not getting hit. i mean when was the last time someone punished him like johnny boy did.
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really? two fights ago, a year to the day today. condit almost knocked him the f--- out. actually dropped him (something that DIDN'T happen last night).
how quickly we forget.
thedarkwingduck2k11 said:
his chin is definitely above average and solid. but not the premiere chin you expect from a perennial champ. like he said himself, he's been champ so long cause he's great at not getting hit. i mean when was the last time someone punished him like johnny boy did.
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sure, he avoided being hit really well (which is kind of the point of defensive striking, no matter what your favourite exciting fight thinks.
but there have been, pretty much since the serra fight, people who have claimed "gsp's afraid to get hit. matt serra scarred him for life and his chin is glass."
i'm glad we now have two examples of GSP eating HUGE shots from great fighters and going on to win the fight so that camp can finally shut the hell up.
grapplethis said:
sure, he avoided being hit really well (which is kind of the point of defensive striking, no matter what your favourite exciting fight thinks.
but there have been, pretty much since the serra fight, people who have claimed "gsp's afraid to get hit. matt serra scarred him for life and his chin is glass."
i'm glad we now have two examples of GSP eating HUGE shots from great fighters and going on to win the fight so that camp can finally shut the hell up.
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like i said, i don't think he has a glass chin, in fact it's very solid and above average. but it's definitely not the premiere chin in the WW division. in fact hendricks, nick diaz, condit and several other WW fighters have a better chin than gsp. i think you mentioned the condit fight in the other posts. If gsp didn't secure a takedown against condit, he would have been finished. it's not the chin that saved him against condit. so essentially all i'm saying is he has a solid chin, but not the premiere chin. when i think of premiere chins, i think of guys eating shots and moving forward.
thedarkwingduck2k11 said:
like i said, i don't think he has a glass chin, in fact it's very solid and above average. but it's definitely not the premiere chin in the WW division. in fact hendricks, nick diaz, condit and several other WW fighters have a better chin than gsp. i think you mentioned the condit fight in the other posts. If gsp didn't secure a takedown against condit, he would have been finished. it's not the chin that saved him against condit. so essentially all i'm saying is he has a solid chin, but not the premiere chin.
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1) no one said he has the best chin. the word i used was solid.
2) you can't know what would have happened if gsp didn't secure that takedown. the result of the fight inwhich he fails to get that TD exist only in an alternate, divergent timeline. so you think gsp would have been ko'd. i think it takes a strong chin, great instinct and great heart to get a takedown after being kicked in the head by at least the 3rd best WW in the world. what would have happened had he failed? we can't know. what we do know is his chin was strong enough that he didn't go straight out, and strong enough he was able to keep his head in the game enough to get the td.
3) the statement wasn't "gsp has the best chin." i don't know who you're arguing against.
grapplethis said:
1) no one said he has the best chin. the word i used was solid.
2) you can't know what would have happened if gsp didn't secure that takedown. the result of the fight inwhich he fails to get that TD exist only in an alternate, divergent timeline. so you think gsp would have been ko'd. i think it takes a strong chin, great instinct and great heart to get a takedown after being kicked in the head by at least the 3rd best WW in the world. what would have happened had he failed? we can't know. what we do know is his chin was strong enough that he didn't go straight out, and strong enough he was able to keep his head in the game enough to get the td.
3) the statement wasn't "gsp has the best chin." i don't know who you're arguing against.
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alright cool bro, i just wanted to make sure we can agree on what solid mean.
thedarkwingduck2k11 said:
like i said, i don't think he has a glass chin, in fact it's very solid and above average. but it's definitely not the premiere chin in the WW division. in fact hendricks, nick diaz, condit and several other WW fighters have a better chin than gsp. i think you mentioned the condit fight in the other posts. If gsp didn't secure a takedown against condit, he would have been finished. it's not the chin that saved him against condit. so essentially all i'm saying is he has a solid chin, but not the premiere chin.
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First off, no one has ever claimed GSP had a premiere chin. So really, you're defending a point no one has challenged. When a small subset of fans have been claiming for years about a glass chin, pointing out GSP has a solid chin is NOT the same as saying he's got the best chin in the division. That's why those words are not considered synonyms. Ffs, use some perspective and consider there's a huge middle ground.
And GSP didn't secure a takedown to recover from Condit. He got rocked, knocked down, got gnp'ed, recovered and then reversed. By the time the reversal and TD happened, he'd already recovered.
phoenix-mma said:
If people are still saying Cain has pillow hands and a weak chin what the eff makes you think people will suddenly flip on GSP?
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are they? i don't see it. i see some posters here with no credibility at all doing it, but i just figure "meh, he's probably 15 and just learning how to internet."
when he ko'd noguiera, that talk pretty much stopped in the mma cirlces i run in.
Flound said:
First off, no one has ever claimed GSP had a premiere chin. So really, you're defending a point no one has challenged. When a small subset of fans have been claiming for years about a glass chin, pointing out GSP has a solid chin is NOT the same as saying he's got the best chin in the division. That's why those words are not considered synonyms. Ffs, use some perspective and consider there's a huge middle ground.
And GSP didn't secure a takedown to recover from Condit. He got rocked, knocked down, got gnp'ed, recovered and then reversed. By the time the reversal and TD happened, he'd already recovered.
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you probably have never been in a fight if you think he can completely recover from that kind of beating so fast. sure he got some senses back but dude was still hurt and had to take condit down to avoid punishment on the feet. and that's why the takedown save him and his bread and butter throughout his reign at WW.
thedarkwingduck2k11 said:
nope that's not the reason. all three have weakness against the takedowns.
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lol look at the guys who have gone on extended title reigns.
think about the last time you saw them in real trouble?
anderson silva: barely anyone touched his chin until sonnen did it. still won the fight. finally was knocked out by weidman, but you can't deny he was great at not getting hit.
gsp: no explanation needed.
jon jones: before gustaffson, had ANYONE hit him hard more than once in a fight?
jose aldo: i straight up can't remember him ever absorbing a power shot.
fedor's the only longtime champ i can think of that didn't play GREAT defence. and i guess chuck liddell. but it was effectively a different sport back then. and they both began to pay for their style AS SOON as they lost a step to age.