Can we at least agree...

Originally posted by: thedarkwingduck2k11
Date: November 17, 2013 at 12:18 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/can-we-at-least-agree.59961/
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grapplethis said:
lol look at the guys who have gone on extended title reigns.
think about the last time you saw them in real trouble?
anderson silva: barely anyone touched his chin until sonnen did it. still won the fight. finally was knocked out by weidman, but you can't deny he was great at not getting hit.
gsp: no explanation needed.
jon jones: before gustaffson, had ANYONE hit him hard more than once in a fight?
jose aldo: i straight up can't remember him ever absorbing a power shot.
fedor's the only longtime champ i can think of that didn't play GREAT defence. and i guess chuck liddell. but it was effectively a different sport back then. and they both began to pay for their style AS SOON as they lost a step to age.
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I'm not disagreeing with you, grapple. that's pretty obvious the goal in any fight to deal the most punishment and recieve the least punishment, unless you're a masochist. but a super premiere chin does help. look at cain or nick diaz who just walk into people punches.
 
Originally posted by: grapplethis
Date: November 17, 2013 at 12:20 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/can-we-at-least-agree.59961/
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sure. what i'm saying is if you don't play good defence, the nature of the sport with its ability to knock you out at any time will prevent you from going on a long title run. eventually, they all get caught.
 
Originally posted by: thedarkwingduck2k11
Date: November 17, 2013 at 12:22 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/can-we-at-least-agree.59961/
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grapplethis said:
sure. what i'm saying is if you don't play good defence, the nature of the sport with its ability to knock you out at any time will prevent you from going on a long title run. eventually, they all get caught.
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ok that we can agree on.
 
Originally posted by: MacWombat
Date: November 17, 2013 at 12:24 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/can-we-at-least-agree.59961/
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There's a decent amount of agreement in this thread.
 
Originally posted by: maggotbrain
Date: November 17, 2013 at 12:33 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/can-we-at-least-agree.59961/
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MMA-P6U6N6X said:
and I dislike maggots, and maggots in brains.
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Well youre just a mean hateful person. Thats something you gotta live with, buddy.
 
Originally posted by: grumble
Date: November 17, 2013 at 12:47 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/can-we-at-least-agree.59961/
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is 'premiere chin' gonna be a thing now? where does it fit into the current scale?
Nelson
Granite
Solid
Good
OK - bit chinny
Weak
Glass
Schaub
 
Originally posted by: thedarkwingduck2k11
Date: November 17, 2013 at 01:05 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/can-we-at-least-agree.59961/
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grumble said:
is 'premiere chin' gonna be a thing now? where does it fit into the current scale?
Nelson
Granite
Solid
Good
OK - bit chinny
Weak
Glass
Schaub
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i'd probably rate cain's chin higher than nelson's. other than jds's shot to the temple, i've never seen someone back cain down with haymakers. nelson has been forced back and to take cover a lot by big time hitters.
 
Originally posted by: MrClean502
Date: November 17, 2013 at 01:07 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/can-we-at-least-agree.59961/
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thedarkwingduck2k11 said:
i'd probably rate cain's chin higher than nelson's. other than jds's shot to the temple, i've never seen someone back cain down with haymakers. nelson has been forced back and to take cover a lot.
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You sir, are nuts. I can't stand Nelson.....but he has the best chin in MMA without a doubt. Cain has been dropped and KO'd by guys that couldn't finish Nelson (Congo, JDS).
 
Originally posted by: thedarkwingduck2k11
Date: November 17, 2013 at 01:10 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/can-we-at-least-agree.59961/
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MrClean502 said:
You sir, are nuts. I can't stand Nelson.....but he has the best chin in MMA without a doubt. Cain has been dropped and KO'd by guys that couldn't finish Nelson (Congo, JDS).
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that's your opinion. like i said from what i seen, cain walk into people punches and nelson has been forced to take cover everytime he fights a better striker. cain has never really had to endure that level of punishment, so we can never really see the extent of his durability.
 
Originally posted by: thabestevah
Date: November 17, 2013 at 01:55 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/can-we-at-least-agree.59961/
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MrClean502 said:
You sir, are nuts. I can't stand Nelson.....but he has the best chin in MMA without a doubt. Cain has been dropped and KO'd by guys that couldn't finish Nelson (Congo, JDS).
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Nelson was also knocked out by Arlovski back in the days of Elite XC... Dan Henderson has best chin in the history of MMA... Dude took a flush Vitor kick to the face and was conscious when the ref stopped the fight... That was after getting uppercutted off of his feet and taking other big shots from the guy who may seriously hit harder than any fighter in MMA, at least harder than any who isn't a HW and probably harder than most HWs at least...
 
Originally posted by: GoodCat
Date: November 17, 2013 at 02:48 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/can-we-at-least-agree.59961/
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I agree, his chin was very solid last night. Johny did say in the post fight press conference that he was only really throwing at about 70% last night to conserve energy. He wasn't chasing the KO like he did with Fitch and Kampmann. I'd rather people wonder if my chin is good or not because of my striking defense than take enough punches to find out, though.
 
Originally posted by: phoenix-mma
Date: November 17, 2013 at 04:48 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/can-we-at-least-agree.59961/
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GoodCat said:
I agree, his chin was very solid last night. Johny did say in the post fight press conference that he was only really throwing at about 70% last night to conserve energy. He wasn't chasing the KO like he did with Fitch and Kampmann. I'd rather people wonder if my chin is good or not because of my striking defense than take enough punches to find out, though.
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Yeah, there were a couple of times where Johny whiffed on a left hook that would have ended the fight if it connected. I was pretty impressed with GSP's chin and Johny's cardio.
 
Originally posted by: Gibbs
Date: November 17, 2013 at 11:54 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/can-we-at-least-agree.59961/
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killadakiller said:
Nelson was also knocked out by Arlovski back in the days of Elite XC... Dan Henderson has best chin in the history of MMA... Dude took a flush Vitor kick to the face and was conscious when the ref stopped the fight... That was after getting uppercutted off of his feet and taking other big shots from the guy who may seriously hit harder than any fighter in MMA, at least harder than any who isn't a HW and probably harder than most HWs at least...
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Lol at this. The ref made Nelson get up when he had him in mount moving for a crucifix bahaha Gtfo.
What about shields. Anyone remember the first round of jake shields Dan Henderson fight
 
Originally posted by: coreymb
Date: November 17, 2013 at 11:57 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/can-we-at-least-agree.59961/
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Gibbs said:
Lol at this. The ref made Nelson get up when he had him in mount moving for a crucifix bahaha Gtfo.
What about shields. Anyone remember the first round of jake shields Dan Henderson fight
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This is true but he wasn't going to get it and time was just ticking away. Def some stalling there. Granted he shoudlve gotten warnings. Don't bring up shields hendo. One of the worst cards I've seen live
 
Originally posted by: grapplethis
Date: November 17, 2013 at 11:58 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/can-we-at-least-agree.59961/
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phoenix-mma said:
Yeah, there were a couple of times where Johny whiffed on a left hook that would have ended the fight if it connected. I was pretty impressed with GSP's chin and Johny's cardio.
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what I was really impressed with was Johny's strength and speed. I figured he'd have the cardio (dudes been competing at the highest level possible for nearly 2 decades if you include wrestling, and he's got dolce) but i thought GSP would have a clear advantage in size, man-strength and a huge one in speed.
he had none of those things. I clearly underestimated The Baconator, even though he's one of my all time favourites.
 
Originally posted by: coreymb
Date: November 18, 2013 at 12:04 AM
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Jh has always been surpringly fast. His strength is off the charts always as well. I remember watching wrasslin clips of him when he was first signed to ufc and was like damn. His power is the scariest thing though and that's what made gsp look human again. Gsp said from the start that he was nervous and i don't blame him. Jh has that very rare power.
 
Originally posted by: Bob002
Date: November 18, 2013 at 12:15 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/can-we-at-least-agree.59961/
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grapplethis said:
what I was really impressed with was Johny's strength and speed. I figured he'd have the cardio (dudes been competing at the highest level possible for nearly 2 decades if you include wrestling, and he's got dolce) but i thought GSP would have a clear advantage in size, man-strength and a huge one in speed.
he had none of those things. I clearly underestimated The Baconator, even though he's one of my all time favourites.
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I was really impressed when he'd just lift and turn GSP. Didn't seem like GSP was trying at all, nor did it look like johny was putting much effort into it.
 
Originally posted by: phoenix-mma
Date: November 18, 2013 at 12:16 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/can-we-at-least-agree.59961/
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grapplethis said:
what I was really impressed with was Johny's strength and speed. I figured he'd have the cardio (dudes been competing at the highest level possible for nearly 2 decades if you include wrestling, and he's got dolce) but i thought GSP would have a clear advantage in size, man-strength and a huge one in speed.
he had none of those things. I clearly underestimated The Baconator, even though he's one of my all time favourites.
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I really thought the reach was going to be more of an advantage for GSP. JH did a good job of closing the distance. You can tell JH is just one of those tough ol farm boys that has crazy strength.
 
Originally posted by: grapplethis
Date: November 18, 2013 at 12:52 AM
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phoenix-mma said:
I really thought the reach was going to be more of an advantage for GSP. JH did a good job of closing the distance. You can tell JH is just one of those tough ol farm boys that has crazy strength.
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i don't think any less of gsp for this fight at all. but i think WAY higher of hendricks than i did before the fight.
 
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