Crete's Corner

[Riz Farmer]

Alright so far we have;
1) ownership
2) humility
3) testosterone (still not sure I agree with but it's on the list)
4) self awareness
5) team building

I'm finding it very interesting to see what people view as the most important quality based on their own experiences.

Broadly reflecting commonly held values of the group also should be on the list if there is a more succinct way to say that (common values?). Also gotta consider the shape of the institution and its culture. Depending on that, delegation of authority is also crucial to how things work. Does the boss sit in a sectioned off office, a raised table with a view of all other desks or in the middle with a circle desk around him and available to all. Either physically in companies or metaphorically in sports groups. All can work, but effectiveness and comfort levels might be very different depending on culture.

 

[bconcrete]

What's really jumped out at me reading the responses is that people seem to be picking the leadership they see the least in their chosen fields, and it's almost fitting the stereotypes.

I'm in corpo-hell, and I want to see ownership, because no owns shit in corpo-world. ABB is in the trades and wants to see more humility because everyone is the biggest beat expert there is in the trades and everyone else is a moron. Webs and others are in sales and want to see more of a team-first leadership in the cutthroat world of quotas and commissions. People like FHB who don't feel seen by their bosses want more awareness and empathy.

Idk what it says exactly but it's just very interesting to me to see people gravitate towards what they perceived as lacking.

 

[bconcrete]

Crete Thoughts #2:

Pit got me thinking about this when he talked about his record collecting and the finds he had today. Music is such a part of all of our lives to some.vsrious degree or other, and I personally believe that our taste in music is heavily influenced by what were exposed to early on. For example, I'm a rock guy through and through. My #1 genre and nothing else comes close. And I can't tell you how many days in YoungCretes life were spent listening to 94.9 KCCO Classic Rock in the pickup with PapaCrete.

But at some point, our tastes diverge a bit and become our own. So my question for everyone today: what's the first album/vinyl/cd/8-track/cassette/whatever you had that made your parents or other caregivers go "ugh, wtf is that?!"

For me, I can think of two: a Weird Al Yankovic CD I got as a prize at a friend's birthday party (I still know Amish Paradise by heart) or Blink-182s Enema of the State CD (still my favorite band to this day, probably because of how much my mom hated that CD)

 

[Los Lobos]

Crete Thoughts #2:

Pit got me thinking about this when he talked about his record collecting and the finds he had today. Music is such a part of all of our lives to some.vsrious degree or other, and I personally believe that our taste in music is heavily influenced by what were exposed to early on. For example, I'm a rock guy through and through. My #1 genre and nothing else comes close. And I can't tell you how many days in YoungCretes life were spent listening to 94.9 KCCO Classic Rock in the pickup with PapaCrete.

But at some point, our tastes diverge a bit and become our own. So my question for everyone today: what's the first album/vinyl/cd/8-track/cassette/whatever you had that made your parents or other caregivers go "ugh, wtf is that?!"

For me, I can think of two: a Weird Al Yankovic CD I got as a prize at a friend's birthday party (I still know Amish Paradise by heart) or Blink-182s Enema of the State CD (still my favorite band to this day, probably because of how much my mom hated that CD)

So, parents didn't really care about much except was I passing in school.
I use to listen to 2live crew in the car with friends while my mom was driving.
But my music taste is all over the place.
Growing up with a gay brother and a straight brother was apparently wild with music. I know almost every lyric to Madonna, Debbie Gibson and George Michael. Saw Debbie & George in concert, that was all gay bro influence.
I know almost every lyrics and at 1 point had every album of Prince, straight bro was a huge fan. Also Beastie Boys.
Dad was a huge Elvis fan, so I know a lot of Elvis.
Cousins were metal heads, so I also got a heavy rotation of Ozzy, Quiet Riot, Ratt, Motley Crue and Van Halen even that 1 hit wonder White Snake.
Then 90s grunge hit and Pearl Jam was it. I saw through Nirvana and realized they were just alright. They were a sound vehicle for real bands like PJ, sound garden, Alice in Chains, STP, etc.
Then my gay bro became a techno DJ (suprise) and I listened a lot to that, Superstar DJ Keoki, trance, house, dubstep. So my current tastes are all over the place, but on sirius Im steadily on Alt Nation.

 

[nubbynub76]

Crete Thoughts #2:

Pit got me thinking about this when he talked about his record collecting and the finds he had today. Music is such a part of all of our lives to some.vsrious degree or other, and I personally believe that our taste in music is heavily influenced by what were exposed to early on. For example, I'm a rock guy through and through. My #1 genre and nothing else comes close. And I can't tell you how many days in YoungCretes life were spent listening to 94.9 KCCO Classic Rock in the pickup with PapaCrete.

But at some point, our tastes diverge a bit and become our own. So my question for everyone today: what's the first album/vinyl/cd/8-track/cassette/whatever you had that made your parents or other caregivers go "ugh, wtf is that?!"

For me, I can think of two: a Weird Al Yankovic CD I got as a prize at a friend's birthday party (I still know Amish Paradise by heart) or Blink-182s Enema of the State CD (still my favorite band to this day, probably because of how much my mom hated that CD)

I listened to rock because that's what my siblings listened to but a black kid at school in the 8th grade gave me NWAs Straight Out of Compton. My dad (cop) happened to walk by my room when Fuck tha Police was playing. I never saw that tape again.

 

[Webble]

The first album I bought was In Utero by Nirvana but I had other albums on tape copied from friends ( yes Im that old! )

I remember my dad hearing Hole and calling it a lot of noise. I also remember my mum finding the lyrics to Greendays Dookie and thinking it was poems I'd written and that I was suicidal!

My dad is a big Eagles fan and I've developed a taste for them in recent years

@Los Lobos that's quite the mix

 

[FunnyHoneyBunny]

What's really jumped out at me reading the responses is that people seem to be picking the leadership they see the least in their chosen fields, and it's almost fitting the stereotypes.

I'm in corpo-hell, and I want to see ownership, because no owns shit in corpo-world. ABB is in the trades and wants to see more humility because everyone is the biggest beat expert there is in the trades and everyone else is a moron. Webs and others are in sales and want to see more of a team-first leadership in the cutthroat world of quotas and commissions. People like FHB who don't feel seen by their bosses want more awareness and empathy.

Idk what it says exactly but it's just very interesting to me to see people gravitate towards what they perceived as lacking.

that's something i always liked about this place or even the comment section on the MMA websites.
It's a small place, but no one has an agenda, so you get a variety of impressions, that seem very unfiltert.
Only a few impression, because of the size, but i always liked it.

 

[Webble]

that's something i always liked about this place or even the comment section on the MMA websites.
It's a small place, but no one has an agenda, so you get a variety of impressions, that seem very unfiltert.
Only a few impression, because of the size, but i always liked it.

I love how diverse our membership is, different sex, races, countries and opinions but for the most part we get along and have a laugh

 

[FunnyHoneyBunny]

I personally believe that our taste in music is heavily influenced by what were exposed to early on.

i 100% believe that as well.
Never guaranteed, but if a bigger brother or cousin was listening to a genre with you, you get hooked up often.
I would never have listened to RnB without my older cousin. I don't love it, but expescially older songs, i listened to as a kid, i like today and my wife just hates it xD

I never listen to music loudly and if i do, i just put on headphones, so i never annoyed my mum back then.
But i would assume my playlist would turn 99 out of 100 people away. I listen to everything i like, no matter the genre.
It's video game soundtracks, movie soundtrack, michael jackson random highwaymen and city of new orleans sprinkled in, even though i don't like country music. Anime intros! I don't watch a lot of animes, but the intros are insane! If the melody is fine, even rap is ok (happens rarely). Japanese and korean music. Trance music.. it's a mix i can't explain myself tbh, but i never "just liked a song" because it was singer/band XY. Lots of 80s and 90s music.

Yeah i think there might be a song for everyone in it, but will also make every single one think: "How can he like the same song as me,but than have THAT list?" xD

 

[cmvideo75]

1. Leadership - From my experience, being willing to step up and do whatever task needs to be done no matter how menial or 'low level' it is is important. Lead by example. People follow that and will work harder for you. Also, stay calm. A volatile leader is a terrible one. When things get crazy you need to stay calm. You make way better decisions like that. All the energy for an organization trickles down from the top so you need to set the tone.

2. Albums - Ride the Lightning by Metallica. That was actually the first album that made me go WTF?? I was 12 years old... went to Masters department store in Staten Island to buy And Justice for All because all the cool kids were into that album which had just came out. However that album was sold out, so I bought Ride the Lightning instead. I went to my friend's house (who was equally as nerdy as me at the time) and we put the cassette into his mom's boom box. We hit play and the first song we hear is Fight Fire with Fire. My friend looked at me and said, what the hell are we listening to?? LOL. That is one of their more extreme songs and hearing that as your first metal song ever was like, what did I just buy?? But it stuck! I started playing guitar shortly after and a lifetime of head banging had begun. Not so much for my friend who absolutely hated it lol.

As for the album my parents were like WTF?? That was probably Appetite for Destruction. That was from the same year and that was the other album all the cool kids were into. They got me that for Christmas. Then I listened to it with everybody around and It's So Easy came on. Uh oh.

 

[Tosh]

My leadership experience has been vast, so I can appreciate each POV. Working in the corporate world, I needed one set of leadership rules, Cow Boss (leader of cowboys) another, and everything I worked in New Mexico was by necessity culturally imbued.

My Dad was a massive music lover (as am I) of what's generally called soul music--Spinners, Mavis Staples, Teddy Pendergrass, Curtis Mayfield. When I played Suicidal Tendencies and Black Flag, he nearly had a coronary.

 

[a-mart]

My leadership experience has been vast, so I can appreciate each POV. Working in the corporate world, I needed one set of leadership rules, Cow Boss (leader of cowboys) another, and everything I worked in New Mexico was by necessity culturally imbued.

It's definitely different depending on the industry, you can't apply the same "rules" to both the army or hi-tech for example so I didn't have anything general to say

 

[Tosh]

It's definitely different depending on the industry, you can't apply the same "rules" to both the army or hi-tech for example so I didn't have anything general to say

...which is why inflexibility is such a destructive quality. "If I can do it, anybody can do it" is a terrible slogan.

 

[nubbynub76]

...which is why inflexibility is such a destructive quality. "If I can do it, anybody can do it" is a terrible slogan.

Not quite the same but I do believe a leader should be able and willing to do anything he delegates to someone else. I had a regional manager that use to make all his managers get DOT certified so they could drive a truck if someone called in.

 

[Tosh]

An example of why "If I can do it, anyone can do it,"is inflexible: my cousin and I fostered children, with opposing philosophies. Whenever one of her children excelled, she would say to me that it made no sense that her foster children didn't equally excel. "I raised all of them the same," she'd say, "and (foster child added to her family as a toddler) just isn't trying!" She refused to accept that her 5 children and 1 foster child might have disparate results due to DNA, and not rebellion. She believed that she was an excellent role model, and that her leadership ought to create identical outcomes for any child in her care. My kids (all fosters) were raised pretty much on these four principles: love, empathy, discipline and structure. How they "turned out" as adults was not my concern, but that they knew how to proceed into adulthood knowing these skills and emotions as a base moving forward, was.

 

[Riz Farmer]

...which is why inflexibility is such a destructive quality. "If I can do it, anybody can do it" is a terrible slogan.

Rudolph is also a terrible example. Santa showed excellent leadership to notice the toxic culture of ostracization but Rudolph showed weakness and missed an opportunity to shit on the other reindeer both literally and figuratively.
Oh gosh, I'm going full bunion soon. It couldn't last.

 

[Riz Farmer]

What's really jumped out at me reading the responses is that people seem to be picking the leadership they see the least in their chosen fields, and it's almost fitting the stereotypes.

I'm in corpo-hell, and I want to see ownership, because no owns shit in corpo-world. ABB is in the trades and wants to see more humility because everyone is the biggest beat expert there is in the trades and everyone else is a moron. Webs and others are in sales and want to see more of a team-first leadership in the cutthroat world of quotas and commissions. People like FHB who don't feel seen by their bosses want more awareness and empathy.

Idk what it says exactly but it's just very interesting to me to see people gravitate towards what they perceived as lacking.

Anthro-primatology cuts through all that and shows a colder analysis of what's going on, which is why I like that mix of disciplines. My T comments are based on that.
Not unreasonable to say that J organisations are lacking T based hierarchy though.
Good observation.

 

[osubuckeye4]

Not quite the same but I do believe a leader should be able and willing to do anything he delegates to someone else. I had a regional manager that use to make all his managers get DOT certified so they could drive a truck if someone called in.

I disagree with this.

One of the best coaches (someone I viewed as a true leader) I ever had was a former Masters champion sprinter in his 50s... by the time he coached me he was in his late 60s and while he was in better shape that the vast majority of people his age it would have been insane to ask him to line up next to me and run 600 meter intervals till he puked, he would have legit died. That didn't stop me from viewing him as an amazing leader though. If he told me the workout was to do 8x400's at 60-70 second pace with a walking 60 second break in between each, I went out and did it. I wasn't like, "how bout you get out there and do it old man? What, you can't?!?" that would have been ridiculous.

Sure, if you're managing a team of 8 people who run cash registers you should be able to hop on a cash register if one of them quits in the middle of their shift... if you're running a multinational company though it's unrealistic to expect the CEO to be able to perform EVERY role within the organization, especially really technical roles that require advanced degrees in different disciplines and maintaining certifications or licenses.

 

[osubuckeye4]

Crete Thoughts #2:

Pit got me thinking about this when he talked about his record collecting and the finds he had today. Music is such a part of all of our lives to some.vsrious degree or other, and I personally believe that our taste in music is heavily influenced by what were exposed to early on. For example, I'm a rock guy through and through. My #1 genre and nothing else comes close. And I can't tell you how many days in YoungCretes life were spent listening to 94.9 KCCO Classic Rock in the pickup with PapaCrete.

But at some point, our tastes diverge a bit and become our own. So my question for everyone today: what's the first album/vinyl/cd/8-track/cassette/whatever you had that made your parents or other caregivers go "ugh, wtf is that?!"

For me, I can think of two: a Weird Al Yankovic CD I got as a prize at a friend's birthday party (I still know Amish Paradise by heart) or Blink-182s Enema of the State CD (still my favorite band to this day, probably because of how much my mom hated that CD)

The Offspring - Smash

Released in 1994, so I would have been 12-13 at the time. I remember my dad being like, "wtf is this nonsense?".

It wasn't like, "that's it, you're grounded!" it was more like, "um... if you want to listen to some decent music go put L.A. Woman from The Doors on the vinyl, because I hate to break it to you but this sucks"

In retrospect, my dad was correct. I was 13 though so the stuff they liked was stupid.


And of course my daughter is just like me... though I did get her last week when her beloved Olivia Rodrigo performed with Smashing Pumpkins at Lolla. When I brought it up she was like, "ughhhhh, I'm aware, shut up already!!!"

Dad 1 - Daughter 0

 

[cmvideo75]

The Offspring - Smash

Released in 1994, so I would have been 12-13 at the time. I remember my dad being like, "wtf is this nonsense?".

It wasn't like, "that's it, you're grounded!" it was more like, "um... if you want to listen to some decent music go put L.A. Woman from The Doors on the vinyl, because I hate to break it to you but this sucks"

In retrospect, my dad was correct. I was 13 though so the stuff they liked was stupid.


And of course my daughter is just like me... though I did get her last week when her beloved Olivia Rodrigo performed with Smashing Pumpkins at Lolla. When I brought it up she was like, "ughhhhh, I'm aware, shut up already!!!"

Dad 1 - Daughter 0

One time I was driving with my dad in the car and Tool's Sober came on the radio. It gets towards the end of the song and Maynard is droning on... 'I am just a worthless liar... I am just an imbecile...' and right after that line my dad says 'Yeah, you are a fucking imbecile' in the most NY/Italian/Tony Soprano way possible. That killed me! I almost drive off the road I was laughing so hard.