Eye Pokes, Glove change? 3-point stance?
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Make it illegal. The reason fighters still get poked in the eye is cuz they have extra protection for the face and to parry shots. There should be no excuses for the fingers to go into there eyes ,if they have to have a open hand to parry then it's at medium range not the range to touch there face,if it's anywhere near the face then the fist has to be made. I understand that accidents happen all the time and it'll be hard to think like this quickly but it's just as much thinking as the finger on the floor rule,that doesn't happen as much because you know if he hit your disqualified instantly,same as a finger I reckon.
They need gloves that cover all of the fingers and keep the main four fingers in one sleeve. Like boxing gloves or mittens the size of MMA gloves. Also the padding covering the palm of the hand should be removed so there is plenty of room to move the thumb and grip limbs. (arms, legs, ankles) This would help with eye pokes as well as fence grabbing and glove hooking. To me, it's a pretty easy solution.
Sedulous said:
They need gloves that cover all of the fingers and keep the main four fingers in one sleeve. Like boxing gloves or mittens the size of MMA gloves. Also the padding covering the palm of the hand should be removed so there is plenty of room to move the thumb and grip limbs. (arms, legs, ankles) This would help with eye pokes as well as fence grabbing and glove hooking. To me, it's a pretty easy solution.
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Im no expert, but I believe you would still get poked by the thumb...even if its on its on "sleeve".
The best solution is conditioning fighters to keep their hands closed unless grappling.
How can they do that? Punishing EVERY SINGLE EYE POKE with a point deduction until everyone learns...
Regarding the 3 point stance: a opponent with one knee on the ground becomes a downed opponent...
With eye pokes, either the gloves have to be tweaked or penalties have to be added to the fighter who rakes his opponent. Seems like every UFC event someone gets poked in the eye. I'm sure an eye poke is tough to see for the ref, especially if they are standing on the opposite side of the eye being poked. Plus, probably 5% of the time it is a legit punch in the eye as opposed to an eye poke.
With the downed fighter rule, I'd like to see something so fighters avoid playing the game with a couple fingers on the ground.
PsychoIcon said:
Take Away the 3 point stance rule, and make it 2 hands or 2 knees is a downed fighter. Just penalize a fighter if he does it.
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I don't think it should include feet at all. If a fighter is standing but puts both hands on the ground, he's still standing to me if is legs are straight up. I guess this gets a little less clear if his knees are bent, but not touching the ground. Still, I think just making it that at least one knee has to be touching the ground makes the most sense to me.
MacWombat said:
I don't think it should include feet at all. If a fighter is standing but puts both hands on the ground, he's still standing to me if is legs are straight up. I guess this gets a little less clear if his knees are bent, but not touching the ground. Still, I think just making it that at least one knee has to be touching the ground makes the most sense to me.
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The rule is to protect the neck thou.... If both hands are down it makes the neck immobile
Futastic said:
Im no expert, but I believe you would still get poked by the thumb...even if its on its on "sleeve".
The best solution is conditioning fighters to keep their hands closed unless grappling.
How can they do that? Punishing EVERY SINGLE EYE POKE with a point deduction until everyone learns...
Regarding the 3 point stance: a opponent with one knee on the ground becomes a downed opponent...
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You can never prevent 100% eye points. However if the the thumb is covered it will soften the poke so that it's less likely to cause severe damage. Also, it seems thumbs aren't the culprit as often as the other fingers. I'd rather this happen. Taking a point for every incidental eye poke will ruin fights, not solve problems. The last thing I want to see is a big title fight that is really close and has come down to the 5th round, to be determined by an accidental eye poke. They just need to fix the gloves so accidents are less likely to happen.
PsychoIcon said:
The rule is to protect the neck thou.... If both hands are down it makes the neck immobile
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I didn't know it was about neck mobility. I guess it makes the rule inconsistent then (shocker). I mean isn't it still illegal to knee somebody in the head while both knees are on the ground but no hands are? There's obviously neck mobility there.
I'm just glad they are actually trying to change the rule. I was hoping they would attempt to change this, but I have my doubts that we'll ever see knees to the head of a grounded opponent fully allowed like I wish.
MacWombat said:
I didn't know it was about neck mobility. I guess it makes the rule inconsistent then (shocker). I mean isn't it still illegal to knee somebody in the head while both knees are on the ground but no hands are? There's obviously neck mobility there.
I'm just glad they are actually trying to change the rule. I was hoping they would attempt to change this, but I have my doubts that we'll ever see knees to the head of a grounded opponent fully allowed like I wish.
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Usually if the knees are down one or two hands are too, and plus the opponent grabbing the head and holding the neck with Knees.... I dont know, i find it all retarded when the whole basis of the sport is hurt the guy more than you get hurt.
Sedulous said:
You can never prevent 100% eye points. However if the the thumb is covered it will soften the poke so that it's less likely to cause severe damage. Also, it seems thumbs aren't the culprit as often as the other fingers. I'd rather this happen. Taking a point for every incidental eye poke will ruin fights, not solve problems. The last thing I want to see is a big title fight that is really close and has come down to the 5th round, to be determined by an accidental eye poke. They just need to fix the gloves so accidents are less likely to happen.
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I understand where you are coming from, but to me a covered finger will hurt and cause damage as much as a bare finger (after all, they look for long nails anyway).
Also, if the fighter keeps his hands open during strikes exchanges, its not accidental, its his choice.
The biggest issue is fighters routine. Enforcing the rule with point deduction (or create some sort of fine) will gradualy change the way fighters do things.
Yeah, the eye poke is a tough one because MMA isn't just punching. Fighters need to be able to grip the other fight during grappling/wrestling sometimes and during submission attempts, you lock onto your other hand or arm for leverage etc. Designing a specific glove that prevents eye pokes but still allows for grabbing and clinching will be tough. Besides a better glove, you need alittle of what everyone else said: conditioning/training fighters how not to do it, more penalty for the punks that purposely do it and more time for the person who was poked to recoup, like the 5-min nuttshot rule.
Personally I don't see how a new type of glove would change anything. It seems as if any glove that could protect the eyes from the fingers would severely impact grappling ability. Then again, I'm not a fashion designer, or fighter.
Maybe a close-handed rule?
I don't know the answer but it sure is f---ing annoying and I do wish something would be done about it. Any suggestions?
Maybe its gay but do they have gloves that look like mma gloves but could have padding over the tips of the fingers but still allow you to grab and hold. It wouldnt prevent eye pokes but it would pretty much end serious ones where the fight needs to be stopped.