I need some SF news
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Coker mentioned about a month ago that they have been running their staff in to the ground getting the shows done and I think they put a gap in to the staff a break. They only have a staff of 10. We have known for a while that the fall is going to be pretty big for SF as they have the EA game launching. The DVD coming out Oct 12 and a number of other things on the plate like the branding initiative. I am glad that they got the next card entirely sorted before they took their break. In days gone by that wouldn't have happened. BTW the SF match maker is Richard Chou. It would be cool if some one would do an interview with him. Hint, hint Junkie.
ResoluteProtector said:
metalmike00 said:
Strikeforce usually throws cards together last minute.
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This.
I've have noticed this for nearly a year. I don't know if Coker is there matchmaker or not, but whoever it is, probably spends about as much time making matches as I do sleeping. That being said, if anything is to bring about the downfall of Strikeforce, it is to be this lethargic attitude they seem to have about getting things done.
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I have been thinking recently and have been wondering...........do they put together cards last minute out of stupidity or is it a business decision? The UFC has not done it lately but they use to counter program most of SF's bigger shows.........and they could only muster up a replay of a PPV, but if SF deiced to have a well planned out card the UFC could put together an entire live free event........SF usually does things that don't make sense so i don't' know if its on purpose or not.
mabrown45 said:
ResoluteProtector said:
metalmike00 said:
Strikeforce usually throws cards together last minute.
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This.
I've have noticed this for nearly a year. I don't know if Coker is there matchmaker or not, but whoever it is, probably spends about as much time making matches as I do sleeping. That being said, if anything is to bring about the downfall of Strikeforce, it is to be this lethargic attitude they seem to have about getting things done.
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I have been thinking recently and have been wondering...........do they put together cards last minute out of stupidity or is it a business decision? The UFC has not done it lately but they use to counter program most of SF's bigger shows.........and they could only muster up a replay of a PPV, but if SF deiced to have a well planned out card the UFC could put together an entire live free event........SF usually does things that don't make sense so i don't' know if its on purpose or not.
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Those are good points, and I think that is a possibility. The only thing that I can say for sure to counter that is the interview Mayhem did, in which he said that he didn't even know who he was fighting at one point and then ended up fighting a short time afterwards.
Alot of their fighters have only fought once this year so far, with no second fights booked yet. So, max they can get two fights.
Mousasi, Hendo, Rogers, Overeem, Arlovski, Sobral, Silva, Mayhem, Josh Thomson, Melendez ... and of course Fedor (but that's his own fault!).
Actually, it looks like it might be faster to see who has fought twice this year already. Will anyone fight three times?
How are these fighters making a living? Especially the guys making say 20,000 a fight? Could they really be making that much money training other guys in their gym?
Consider Melendez. He's a champ but is he really making money from sponsorships? Who is he to fight next? I'm not even sure who's in his division. No idea who's on tap, other than a rematch with Josh Thomson although I have heard none of that talk.
How's it good for one's career to fight once a year? Even twice a year isn't good, unless you are the champ (or injured).
Fedor_is_god said:
Alot of their fighters have only fought once this year so far, with no second fights booked yet. So, max they can get two fights.
Mousasi, Hendo, Rogers, Overeem, Arlovski, Sobral, Silva, Mayhem, Josh Thomson, Melendez ... and of course Fedor (but that's his own fault!).
Actually, it looks like it might be faster to see who has fought twice this year already. Will anyone fight three times?
How are these fighters making a living? Especially the guys making say 20,000 a fight?
Could they really be making that much money training other guys in their gym?
Consider Melendez. He's a champ but is he really making money from sponsorships? Who is he to fight next? I'm not even sure who's in his division. No idea who's on tap, other than a rematch with Josh Thomson although I have heard none of that talk.
How's it good for one's career to fight once a year? Even twice a year isn't good, unless you are the champ (or injured).
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I doubt this, as if this was the case, more of their fighters wouldn't bother fighting at all. But on another note, with the openness of who they are can fight for and against, Mousasi and Overeem have a lot of other options, dream and k-1 for example. Hendo got paid a lot of money and Thomson and Mayhem both do fights in Japan.
They just need to keep putting on shows.
This idea of competing with the UFC is simply ridiculous. I know the many of the UFC haters put all of there stock in strikeforce, but they are putting there hopes in to something that is just not there. They were a solid mid-level company. With Fedor and CBS they were thrown in to a fight with the UFC...a fight they can not win.
The UFC gets in a funk some times but they keep putting on shows. Eventually the right guys make it back. There is talent in Strikeforce, but not marketed correctly. With time fighters will create story lines for the company, SF can not back one pony any more.
The Henderson and Fedor loss hurt them the most. And I have been a vocal critic of how bad M-1 is for there company. They had something good going, but they put a bunch of eggs in a basket that was risky to begin with. Not even going after the champion in Shields...going straight to a "tournament" idea then ditching it as soon as he is gone.
They have some stellar talent. I wish Fedor would leave. That or Alistair send him packing, either way he is more of a liability to that company than anything.
But lets talk some basics here, a simple change in broadcasting would do them a huge favor. If anything the Voice would increase there production value ten fold.
abc0331 said:
This idea of competing with the UFC is simply ridiculous.
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untrue. After the November Fedor-Rogers fight on CBS, Strikeforce had their chance. But everything went downhill.
(1) They didn't market their other fighters properly.
(2) They didn't put on enough shows.
(3) They failed to secure Fedor for April on CBS
(4) They blew their load on three title fights in one show. Bad idea.
(5) The April card was a failure.
(6) Didn't market Shields then let him go.
(7) M1 nonsense
(8) Fedor loss
(9) Too late announcing cards and fighters
(10) Bobby Lashley lost
(11) Poor announcers
Basically, Scott has bad luck and really doesn't know what he's doing.
Fedor_is_god said:
abc0331 said:
This idea of competing with the UFC is simply ridiculous.
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untrue. After the November Fedor-Rogers fight on CBS, Strikeforce had their chance. But everything went downhill.
(1) They didn't market their other fighters properly.
(2) They didn't put on enough shows.
(3) They failed to secure Fedor for April on CBS
(4) They blew their load on three title fights in one show. Bad idea.
(5) The April card was a failure.
(6) Didn't market Shields then let him go.
(7) M1 nonsense
(8) Fedor loss
(9) Too late announcing cards and fighters
(10) Bobby Lashley lost
(11) Poor announcers
Basically, Scott has bad luck and really doesn't know what he's doing.
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I don't think that he doesn't know what he is doing, he just had terrible luck. Just as he made the "bad" decision to put everything behind Fedor and Henderson, so has Dana done the same for Cro Cop when he first came to the UFC, and Shogun before he got healthier. If he can get them out of this rut, they will survive, but it is all or nothing in the next year. Dream may not make it, so they need to find another venue to showcase some of their fighters.
The same haters posting the same thing in every SF thread. If you guys hate SF so bad why come into a SF thread?
Will anyone fight three times?
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KJ Noons, Sarah if I took some time I am sure I could find more.
Consider Melendez. He's a champ but is he really making money from sponsorships? Who is he to fight next? I'm not even sure who's in his division. No idea who's on tap, other than a rematch with Josh Thomson although I have heard none of that talk.
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Melendez has time off because he injured himself and has a baby coming shortly. But I am sure some one will blame that on Coker to. Thompson hurt himself in his last fight and had a loooong string of injuries before that. As for who is in the division you could always take a minute to look at their web site where they have the fighters listed by class. But that might interfere with your trash talking. I love the way people don't watch Strikeforce, don't care about Strikeforce don't follow Strikeforce and then complain that they don't know any thing that is going on in Strikeforce other than they hate it.
This idea of competing with the UFC is simply ridiculous. I know the many of the UFC haters put all of there stock in strikeforce, but they are putting there hopes in to something that is just not there.
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So what are you saying? There should be no other sports organization in the world other than the UFC? On one level every sport competes with the UFC. So really the UFC should shut down because soccer is much larger. But the truth is SF doesn't compete with the UFC any more than soccer does the pay models are completely different. If SF was doing PPV after PPV then they would be competitors. This Strikeforce is going head to head with the UFC is a strawman argument created by UFC fans so that they can then make a completely irrelevant argument that they can win.
I know the many of the UFC haters put all of there stock in strikeforce, but they are putting there hopes in to something that is just not there.
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Strikeforce is working out just fine for me as are a number of other organizations. The only time I start hating the UFC is when they counter program the SF shows and when the UFC fans come storming into every SF thread just to sh!t on it making it impossible to have a decent conversation. Rather than making me cancel my subscription to SF it just makes me think that all UFC fans must be jerks. Other than that I am completely indifferent to the UFC. I just don't care. I am not willing to pay $60 a show to watch MMA so they really aren't a factor for me. Jake Shields isn't going to suddenly be $60 more exciting the next time he fights.
They were a solid mid-level company.
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Still are. Maybe you should watch some of those old shows they were doing before they signed with Showtime before you start waxing all nostalgic.
With Fedor and CBS they were thrown in to a fight with the UFC...a fight they can not win.
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There are no signs that they are loosing money. As long as that is the case they aren't going any where.
jvillain said:
The same haters posting the same thing in every SF thread. If you guys hate SF so bad why come into a SF thread?
Will anyone fight three times?
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KJ Noons, Sarah if I took some time I am sure I could find more.
Consider Melendez. He's a champ but is he really making money from sponsorships? Who is he to fight next? I'm not even sure who's in his division. No idea who's on tap, other than a rematch with Josh Thomson although I have heard none of that talk.
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Melendez has time off because he injured himself and has a baby coming shortly. But I am sure some one will blame that on Coker to. Thompson hurt himself in his last fight and had a loooong string of injuries before that. As for who is in the division you could always take a minute to look at their web site where they have the fighters listed by class. But that might interfere with your trash talking. I love the way people don't watch Strikeforce, don't care about Strikeforce don't follow Strikeforce and then complain that they don't know any thing that is going on in Strikeforce other than they hate it.
This idea of competing with the UFC is simply ridiculous. I know the many of the UFC haters put all of there stock in strikeforce, but they are putting there hopes in to something that is just not there.
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So what are you saying? There should be no other sports organization in the world other than the UFC? On one level every sport competes with the UFC. So really the UFC should shut down because soccer is much larger. But the truth is SF doesn't compete with the UFC any more than soccer does the pay models are completely different. If SF was doing PPV after PPV then they would be competitors. This Strikeforce is going head to head with the UFC is a strawman argument created by UFC fans so that they can then make a completely irrelevant argument that they can win.
I know the many of the UFC haters put all of there stock in strikeforce, but they are putting there hopes in to something that is just not there.
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Strikeforce is working out just fine for me as are a number of other organizations. The only time I start hating the UFC is when they counter program the SF shows and when the UFC fans come storming into every SF thread just to sh!t on it making it impossible to have a decent conversation. Rather than making me cancel my subscription to SF it just makes me think that all UFC fans must be jerks. Other than that I am completely indifferent to the UFC. I just don't care. I am not willing to pay $60 a show to watch MMA so they really aren't a factor for me. Jake Shields isn't going to suddenly be $60 more exciting the next time he fights.
They were a solid mid-level company.
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Still are. Maybe you should watch some of those old shows they were doing before they signed with Showtime before you start waxing all nostalgic.
With Fedor and CBS they were thrown in to a fight with the UFC...a fight they can not win.
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There are no signs that they are loosing money. As long as that is the case they aren't going any where.
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I thought Coker had an announcement to make. What's the fourth fight on the Diaz card? What's the schedule for the rest of the year? What the f*** is going on with Fedor? With Melendez? Been almost 5 months since he beat Aoki and not another fight announced? The quickest he could be in the ring would be November, making it 7 months. 8 months if it's December. How are these guys making enough money?
Right now this is the lineup for strikeforce: san jose
Nick Diaz vs KJ Noons
Sarah Kaufman vs Marloes Coenen
Matt Lindland vs Luke Rockhold
Josh Thompson vs Gesias Calvante
aperently they are debating in putting another fight for the main card or just letting the lineup in four, personally i think they need another fight
on the preliminars they got one alredy
Seth Baczynski vs Erick Apple
now the Shomma 11 lineup is staring to look very good
Lavar Johnson, billy evangelista, brandon Cash, Roger Bowling alredy are confirmed to be in this event
for Shomma 12 the only figther that is know to be there is Ryan Couture
Ah, didn't realize they booked the fourth fight. Did Junkie report this? I didn't see it.
I think a 5th fight is a wise idea. Even if they put some budding talent ...
Looks like a decent enough card.
I've heard nothing of the next Challengers card. Again, is Junkie reporting this?
casas said:
Right now this is the lineup for strikeforce: san jose
Nick Diaz vs KJ Noons
Sarah Kaufman vs Marloes Coenen
Matt Lindland vs Luke Rockhold
Josh Thompson vs Gesias Calvante
aperently they are debating in putting another fight for the main card or just letting the lineup in four, personally i think they need another fight
on the preliminars they got one alredy
Seth Baczynski vs Erick Apple
now the Shomma 11 lineup is staring to look very good
Lavar Johnson, billy evangelista, brandon Cash, Roger Bowling alredy are confirmed to be in this event
for Shomma 12 the only figther that is know to be there is Ryan Couture
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Nick Diaz vs Noons on the main event?
Matt lindland vs Rockhold????
JZ vs Thompson (good fight)
this card is decent, not more than that.
Look I like strike force and have enjoyed many of thier shows. However I do not enjoy them letting their fighters do other combat sports, nor do I enjoy their co-promotions schtick. Personally I would love for the UFC to buy strikeforce outright or have them combine (Think AFL and NFL) and that would capture without a doubt 99% of the MMA talent out there. Then instead of arguments about which HW is better but we will never know becuase they will never fight, we get all of the fights we want to see. And then instead of UFC shutting SF down, make it a development league, guys who cant make it in UFC fight in SF and then when they get a few wins they get called up and so forth.
And we could all start paying $60 a shot to watch the same fighters we are watching either for free or at a minimal charge. Mean while a bunch of fighters would have to get blown out of the UFC to make room for these guys. I think I'll pass. Of course another solution to your problem would be for the UFC to start co-promoting. Then you wouldn't have all those X vs Y III fights. They could start by co-promoting with the WEC.
If the weight cut for Marloes doesn't turn out to bad the fight between Sarah and Marloes should be very interesting. Both ladies like to bring it and it could turn into fight of the night. I hope that Bowling is on the next Challengers card. He looks like he could be star material in short order.