Is Dana White gonna stall Lesnar-Carwin rematch?

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: abc0331
Date: July 07, 2010 at 04:16 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/

Why would carwin get a rematch so quickly?
He lost.
The only reason why Penn and Shogun got rematches is because the judges decisions were so close.
Unless they are trying to be like SF and make there titles worthless a new challenger will arise out of the ranks. Then if Carwin can bounce back in a fight or two then we will talk.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: bjj_rage
Date: July 07, 2010 at 04:17 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/

taporsnap69 said:
bjj_rage said:
1. I dont think theres is a reason to have an inmediate rematch.
2. Lesnar if anything, while proving that he has improved, looked far for unbeatable, and carwin is not the only one with bombs on his hands in the UFC HWd right now.
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Nobody hits harder than Carwin in the UFC. And I think the only person that can nullify Lesnar's wrestling is Carwin. Lesnar couldn't take Carwin down until he gassed. Lesnar will take cain down, JDS down, or whomever and pound the crap out of them.
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you dont need to hit as hard as carwin to put down Brock, JDS may not hit as hard, though he hits faster, and does not gas.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: rocklobster
Date: July 07, 2010 at 04:17 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/

He better stall it until Carwin gains some cardio.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: mabrown45
Date: July 07, 2010 at 04:19 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/

You guys keep saying "we'd have a new champ if he had cardio"..........well maybe.........we can go all day with the "if" senario
If Brock had better stand up carwin would have gotten knocked out
If Brock died carwin would be the champ
If Mir broke lesnar's leg in their first fight Brock would never have been champ
If GSP never took down Alves/Hardy they would have won the fight
IF AA didn't go for the flying knee he would have beaten Fedor
If i bought a lottery ticket I could have won $100 million dollars
I do not get the constant argument that Carwin won the fight......matches like Penn/Edgar and Machida/Rua 1 i see there being an argument because it went to the JUDGES

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ResoluteProtector
Date: July 07, 2010 at 04:20 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/

taporsnap69 said:
I am just thinking out loud here, and I have nothing to substantiate this thought process but, I kinda get the impression that Dana does not want a Lesnar-Carwin rematch to happen any time soon. Here is what I am thinking....I think Brock Lesnar is much more profitable to the UFC as the champion. And I think Dana know's that the only real threat to Brock is Shane Carwin. Now that Dana saw how close Brock was to losing, I think he is gonna try to keep the belt on him as long as possible to keep the cash cow milkable. On a side note...I could not believe that Lesnar made 10 times what Carwin did for that fight. I am also sure brock is getting a piece of the PPV revenue as well. If I was Carwin, I would just be an engineer and quit getting screwed by Dana.
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I'm going to disagree based upon reasons that have been in place for a long time already. Valesquez and Dos Santos were already lined up before Lesnar even returned to training. As such, Carwin is looking at a year minimum. So unless your "anytime soon" spans outside of a year, no.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: vfrex
Date: July 07, 2010 at 04:21 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/

abc0331 said:
Why would carwin get a rematch so quickly?
He lost.
The only reason why Penn and Shogun got rematches is because the judges decisions were so close.
Unless they are trying to be like SF and make there titles worthless a new challenger will arise out of the ranks. Then if Carwin can bounce back in a fight or two then we will talk.
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It was a judgment call not to stop the fight when Lesnar was dropped and admittedly out. It was close enough to being over that a small change in strategy by Carwin could have decisively changed the outcome. Arguably, Carwin demonstrated that he has all of the tools needed to win a rematch; even cardio isn't that important, and his lack of it is more of a question than a conclusion. That said, I'm more interested in seeing how the division evolves with Cain and JDS getting their shots.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Bob002
Date: July 07, 2010 at 04:21 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/

Seems it wasn't a cardio issue, but a case of lactic acidosis.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: TheLethalLefty
Date: July 07, 2010 at 04:23 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/

Hes not gonna stall a rematch at all. He will give Cain his shot. He will then give the winner of JDS vs. Big Country his shot. If Carwin wins his next 2 or 3 fights, I am fairly confident we will see Lesnar vs. Carwin II
.........of course this all counts on Brock defending his title successfully and not getting very sick again.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Bob002
Date: July 07, 2010 at 04:25 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/

TheLethalLefty said:
Hes not gonna stall a rematch at all. He will give Cain his shot. He will then give the winner of JDS vs. Big Country his shot. If Carwin wins his next 2 or 3 fights, I am fairly confident we will see Lesnar vs. Carwin II
.........of course this all counts on Brock defending his title successfully and not getting very sick again.
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It seems like Brock is trying to stall with the talk of his new baby, etc.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: vfrex
Date: July 07, 2010 at 04:25 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/

TheLethalLefty said:
Hes not gonna stall a rematch at all. He will give Cain his shot. He will then give the winner of JDS vs. Big Country his shot. If Carwin wins his next 2 or 3 fights, I am fairly confident we will see Lesnar vs. Carwin II
.........of course this all counts on Brock defending his title successfully and not getting very sick again.
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...and farming...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Sedulous
Date: July 07, 2010 at 04:26 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/

Bob002 said:
TheLethalLefty said:
Hes not gonna stall a rematch at all. He will give Cain his shot. He will then give the winner of JDS vs. Big Country his shot. If Carwin wins his next 2 or 3 fights, I am fairly confident we will see Lesnar vs. Carwin II
.........of course this all counts on Brock defending his title successfully and not getting very sick again.
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It seems like Brock is trying to stall with the talk of his new baby, etc.
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Ya I don't think he's excited to think about training a fighting immediately. I don't blame him though.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: abc0331
Date: July 07, 2010 at 04:27 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/

vfrex said:
abc0331 said:
Why would carwin get a rematch so quickly?
He lost.
The only reason why Penn and Shogun got rematches is because the judges decisions were so close.
Unless they are trying to be like SF and make there titles worthless a new challenger will arise out of the ranks. Then if Carwin can bounce back in a fight or two then we will talk.
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It was a judgment call not to stop the fight when Lesnar was dropped and admittedly out. It was close enough to being over that a small change in strategy by Carwin could have decisively changed the outcome.
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Man if this was any other fighter not one word would be said about that non-stoppage.
So many people just wanted to see Lesnar lose they did not care how.
Arlovski looked like he had all the tools to beat Fedor, but people were not calling for an instant rematch.
Carwin does have the tools, but he showed he could not/ did not use them properly. It is a fight not a video game where you get a redo when you do not do the right thing at the right moment. The sport is unforgiving like that. Since Carwin did not win the fight, since he did not do the correct things to win the fight, he lost. Lesnar won.
He could have tapped his heart out like Fedor did a couple of weeks ago. But he stayed moving his arms and protecting himself and kept fighting. I do not see how people can equate this to Shogun beating Machida and then have the judges give a different result.
Its apples to oranges.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Bob002
Date: July 07, 2010 at 04:33 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/

Sedulous said:
Bob002 said:
TheLethalLefty said:
Hes not gonna stall a rematch at all. He will give Cain his shot. He will then give the winner of JDS vs. Big Country his shot. If Carwin wins his next 2 or 3 fights, I am fairly confident we will see Lesnar vs. Carwin II
.........of course this all counts on Brock defending his title successfully and not getting very sick again.
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It seems like Brock is trying to stall with the talk of his new baby, etc.
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Ya I don't think he's excited to think about training a fighting immediately. I don't blame him though.
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I don't either, but he's the champ who (unfortunately due to health issues) sat out a year without defending the title. I realize he doesn't want to get back in there and train, but there are people that want the belt.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: vfrex
Date: July 07, 2010 at 04:34 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/

abc0331 said:
Man if this was any other fighter not one word would be said about that non-stoppage.
So many people just wanted to see Lesnar lose they did not care how.
Arlovski looked like he had all the tools to beat Fedor, but people were not calling for an instant rematch.
Carwin does have the tools, but he showed he could not/ did not use them properly. It is a fight not a video game where you get a redo when you do not do the right thing at the right moment. The sport is unforgiving like that. Since Carwin did not win the fight, since he did not do the correct things to win the fight, he lost. Lesnar won.
He could have tapped his heart out like Fedor did a couple of weeks ago. But he stayed moving his arms and protecting himself and kept fighting. I do not see how people can equate this to Shogun beating Machida and then have the judges give a different result.
Its apples to oranges.
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Arlovski vs Fedor isn't apples to oranges when compared to Lesnar vs Carwin? Lesnar was severely dazed, if not temporarily unconscious, by his own admission.
I don't think he should get an immediate rematch either, but I can see the case for one. I DO think he should be one fight away from another shot though, as Lesnar got similar treatment.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Fjodorz
Date: July 07, 2010 at 04:41 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/

^^^^. Could use some source on him saying he was out at gnp time ive seen him saying lights went out by that left uppercut but please provide

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: vfrex
Date: July 07, 2010 at 04:42 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/

Fjodorz said:
^^^^. Could use some source on him saying he was out at gnp time ive seen him saying lights went out by that left uppercut but please provide
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I didn't say he was out at GNP time. I'm not sure that it matters, though, as fights have been stopped for uppercut KO's before (Kos).

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Fjodorz
Date: July 07, 2010 at 04:47 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/

Lol u are driving a case for stopping the fight on that uppercut? Oh the haters of past are admiring youre hate. I think that even the hitler's hate for nazi's is nothing compared to you.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Gnarcore
Date: July 07, 2010 at 04:51 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/

Fjodorz said:
Lol u are driving a case for stopping the fight on that uppercut? Oh the haters of past are admiring youre hate. I think that even the hitler's hate for nazi's is nothing compared to you.
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[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Bob002
Date: July 07, 2010 at 04:52 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/

Fjodorz said:
^^^^. Could use some source on him saying he was out at gnp time ive seen him saying lights went out by that left uppercut but please provide
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Pretty sure he does in here: http://forums.mmajunkie.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=27599

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Fjodorz
Date: July 07, 2010 at 04:56 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/

Could u paste it dont know how to jump that link with my phone