Is Dana White gonna stall Lesnar-Carwin rematch?

Originally posted by: Siroth
Date: July 09, 2010 at 01:06 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/
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Bob002 said:
Siroth said:
. All I'm saying is that Dana doesn't strike me as the "guy who is twisting the UFC'' to get more money.
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The rest of your points are valid, but that's exactly what he did after giving Brock a title fight after going 1-1 (with one of those fights being against a quasi-can). Yes, the HW division at the time was thin, but I still feel he did it simply because he knew it would bring in the money.
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So he wasn't sick after all? I though he was out for such a long time cuz of some sickness. Also, I saw one of the other forums about Dana saying something like, farming isnt going to pay the bills, I think he wants Brock to have more fights more often obviously, and wouldn't that risk this whole theory of him intentionally keeping Brock the champ?
 
Originally posted by: Bob002
Date: July 09, 2010 at 01:11 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/
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Siroth said:
Bob002 said:
Siroth said:
. All I'm saying is that Dana doesn't strike me as the "guy who is twisting the UFC'' to get more money.
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The rest of your points are valid, but that's exactly what he did after giving Brock a title fight after going 1-1 (with one of those fights being against a quasi-can). Yes, the HW division at the time was thin, but I still feel he did it simply because he knew it would bring in the money.
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So he wasn't sick after all? I though he was out for such a long time cuz of some sickness. Also, I saw one of the other forums about Dana saying something like, farming isnt going to pay the bills, I think he wants Brock to have more fights more often obviously, and wouldn't that risk this whole theory of him intentionally keeping Brock the champ?
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According to wiki it was 3 months after rematch with Mir that he started having health issues. He wants Brock to fight more, I was saying that I didn't think Brock deserved a title shot after 2 fights.
 
Originally posted by: richierichmma
Date: July 09, 2010 at 01:19 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/
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First thing that came to my mind after lesnar v carwin was that it
almost
seemed like the fight had been fixed.
Think about it, UFC wants brock to win cos he is much more profitable.
The ref didnt stop it - i think reffing should be the same no matter how important or insignificant the fight is.
Carwin let him have the arm triangle, dangled his arm over and when it was semi-locked in he didnt 'answer the phone' to defend it and tapped easily with no resistance.
 
Originally posted by: TheLethalLefty
Date: July 09, 2010 at 01:27 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/
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richierichmma said:
First thing that came to my mind after lesnar v carwin was that it
almost
seemed like the fight had been fixed.
Think about it, UFC wants brock to win cos he is much more profitable.
The ref didnt stop it - i think reffing should be the same no matter how important or insignificant the fight is.
Carwin let him have the arm triangle, dangled his arm over and when it was semi-locked in he didnt 'answer the phone' to defend it and tapped easily with no resistance.
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Originally posted by: Siroth
Date: July 09, 2010 at 01:33 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/
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richierichmma said:
First thing that came to my mind after lesnar v carwin was that it
almost
seemed like the fight had been fixed.
Think about it, UFC wants brock to win cos he is much more profitable.
The ref didnt stop it - i think reffing should be the same no matter how important or insignificant the fight is.
Carwin let him have the arm triangle, dangled his arm over and when it was semi-locked in he didnt 'answer the phone' to defend it and tapped easily with no resistance.
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Yeah, to be honest, I've been thinking about the ufc being fixed. I mean why didnt the ref stop it??? anyone else would have! i mean shane won like that every other fight! i just dont get it, but i accepted it, cuz i like brock. but still, i would never want to think that the ufc is fixed, i mean, i love it so much, this would just ruin it all. . .
 
Originally posted by: TheLethalLefty
Date: July 09, 2010 at 01:37 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/
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Siroth said:
richierichmma said:
First thing that came to my mind after lesnar v carwin was that it
almost
seemed like the fight had been fixed.
Think about it, UFC wants brock to win cos he is much more profitable.
The ref didnt stop it - i think reffing should be the same no matter how important or insignificant the fight is.
Carwin let him have the arm triangle, dangled his arm over and when it was semi-locked in he didnt 'answer the phone' to defend it and tapped easily with no resistance.
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Yeah, to be honest, I've been thinking about the ufc being fixed. I mean why didnt the ref stop it??? anyone else would have! i mean shane won like that every other fight! i just dont get it, but i accepted it, cuz i like brock. but still, i would never want to think that the ufc is fixed, i mean, i love it so much, this would just ruin it all. . .
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Please, both of you, together if you want to, go watch that fight again. Go watch it sober. Then comeback and enlighten everyone when the fight should of been stopped. I want an exact second mark to go look at!
And you thought you wouldn't have homework during the summer...
But seriously, go do that because it will shape your entire opinion about the fight and you will most likely realize that Brock was doing a good job at defending himself and staying active.
 
Originally posted by: RWR
Date: July 09, 2010 at 01:38 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/
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richierichmma said:
First thing that came to my mind after lesnar v carwin was that it
almost
seemed like the fight had been fixed.
Think about it, UFC wants brock to win cos he is much more profitable.
The ref didnt stop it - i think reffing should be the same no matter how important or insignificant the fight is.
Carwin let him have the arm triangle, dangled his arm over and when it was semi-locked in he didnt 'answer the phone' to defend it and tapped easily with no resistance.
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I doubt it was fixed.
I think Carwin was in shock at the end of the first that he was beating Brock like a rented mule, I think he gave himself a panic attack thinking about being the new HW Champ, then in the second, sister Mary Elizabeth choked him out.
or something similar.....
 
Originally posted by: Siroth
Date: July 09, 2010 at 01:48 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/
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TheLethalLefty said:
Siroth said:
richierichmma said:
First thing that came to my mind after lesnar v carwin was that it
almost
seemed like the fight had been fixed.
Think about it, UFC wants brock to win cos he is much more profitable.
The ref didnt stop it - i think reffing should be the same no matter how important or insignificant the fight is.
Carwin let him have the arm triangle, dangled his arm over and when it was semi-locked in he didnt 'answer the phone' to defend it and tapped easily with no resistance.
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Yeah, to be honest, I've been thinking about the ufc being fixed. I mean why didnt the ref stop it??? anyone else would have! i mean shane won like that every other fight! i just dont get it, but i accepted it, cuz i like brock. but still, i would never want to think that the ufc is fixed, i mean, i love it so much, this would just ruin it all. . .
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Please, both of you, together if you want to, go watch that fight again. Go watch it sober. Then comeback and enlighten everyone when the fight should of been stopped. I want an exact second mark to go look at!
And you thought you wouldn't have homework during the summer...
But seriously, go do that because it will shape your entire opinion about the fight and you will most likely realize that Brock was doing a good job at defending himself and staying active.
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Yea, ok, I apolagize, I don't even know what I was thinking. Its impossible, its the UFC. My favorite sport. . . cant be ruined!! I hate myself now for doubting Lesnar and thinking this might actually be fixed. And im the one denying this whole thing in the first place.
 
Originally posted by: progress
Date: July 09, 2010 at 12:49 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/
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taporsnap69 said:
I am just thinking out loud here, and I have nothing to substantiate this thought process but, I kinda get the impression that Dana does not want a Lesnar-Carwin rematch to happen any time soon. Here is what I am thinking....I think Brock Lesnar is much more profitable to the UFC as the champion. And I think Dana know's that the only real threat to Brock is Shane Carwin. Now that Dana saw how close Brock was to losing, I think he is gonna try to keep the belt on him as long as possible to keep the cash cow milkable. On a side note...I could not believe that Lesnar made 10 times what Carwin did for that fight. I am also sure brock is getting a piece of the PPV revenue as well. If I was Carwin, I would just be an engineer and quit getting screwed by Dana.
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It's almost a given that Dana will try to delay this for as long as possible. Champions fight twice or occasionally three times a year (Chuck, Randy, Tito, GSP, Penn). This has been going on for years and seems to be the rule regardless of if there are multiple fighters waiting for a title shot (Cain, JDS + rematch with Carwin). The fact is that the best way to claim a fighter is "the best" while only providing a semi legitimate argument against such a claim, is to make sure they don't fight very often. Win one fight = automatically champion, and best in the world, for six months.
 
Originally posted by: Arlington1898
Date: July 20, 2010 at 02:16 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/
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Carwin would win a Lesnar-Carwin rematch, no question, everyone knows it. Lesnar is better for publicity and fanfare. Dana knows it, everyone knows it. We wont see a rematch for a long time. I know it, everyone knows it.
 
Originally posted by: MMAdisciple24
Date: July 20, 2010 at 02:43 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/
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^^^You're funny as hell but wrong, if you're not joking.
 
Originally posted by: snakechamer
Date: July 20, 2010 at 02:43 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/
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Someone make a gif of Dana's and Lorenzo's face as Brock is getting pounded by Carwin. Their faces are hilarious because they look like their going to cry. It's right as Brock goes down to the ground and covers up. I'm surprised no one hasn't made the gif yet.
 
Originally posted by: DrKillByDeath87
Date: July 20, 2010 at 08:01 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/
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Like many have said, there is no reason for an immediate rematch especially with Cain and JDS getting the next 2 shots (If JDS wins)
 
Originally posted by: newERA
Date: July 20, 2010 at 09:20 AM
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I'm not a fan of instant rematches. I could understand the Shogun/Machida rematch, because it was so controversial, but outside of that match they have been/are unnecessary (Bonnar/Soszynski, Penn/Edgar, etc.). I think Carwin is going to be treated like anybody else that has challenged for the title and lost. Fitch has won four fights since he faced GSP and he hasn't gotten a rematch. Nate Marquardt had a three fight win streak going until Sonnen ruined his chances at a rematch with Silva (and this is in the weak middleweight division). If anything, the way Carwin performed in the first round of the fight will probably get him a rematch faster than it normally would any other contender, especially if Brock easily defeats any of his upcoming challengers.
 
Originally posted by: ResoluteProtector
Date: July 20, 2010 at 12:04 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-dana-white-gonna-stall-lesnar-carwin-rematch.27628/
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Carwin wasn't getting an immediate rematch anyway. And there is still Valesquez and the winner of Nelson/Dos Santos in line, so Carwin is still going to wait. Get over it.
 
Originally posted by: EdoKaz818
Date: July 20, 2010 at 12:56 PM
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Carwin didnt deserve the fight in the first place to be honest. Cain and JDS had more wins against higher quality oppoennts and more fights.
Carwin vs Lesnar was just a fight everyone wanted to see.
 
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