Junior Dos Santos

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Originally posted by: anonymouswriter
Date: January 03, 2010 at 12:41 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/junior-dos-santos.21013/
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*This topic may have been talked about several times, I searched and didn't see too much*
Dos Santos, in my opinion, is in an interesting situation. He is extremely talented, 18-0 as a kickboxer and 10-1 in MMA. The interesting situation is that he weighs 230ish. What I wanted to discuss is whether he can deal with the likes of 280 pound wrestlers or if he could possibly cut to 205 where he would be as physically strong as the other fighters?
 
Originally posted by: Jak
Date: January 03, 2010 at 12:47 AM
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Like i have to keep saying, the BEST HEAVYWEIGHT IN THE WORLD IS A SMALL HEAVYWEIGHT!
doesn't mean dos Anjos will win every fight, but the talk of every amazing HW having to drop 35 pounds just to be competitive even though dos Santos, Velasquez, Emelianenko keep on steamrolling their opponents, is just....
Seriously, why do all these fighters who are doing amazing have to drop weight? Do all these wrestlers have granite chins?
:x
 
Originally posted by: Lasse
Date: January 03, 2010 at 12:49 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/junior-dos-santos.21013/
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Dos Santos does not have the frame to drop to 205. If Dos Santos was 3 inches shorter then maybe.....
But right now his body weight is perfect for his frame. He could bulk about 10 pounds more but it's not a necessity.
 
Originally posted by: vfrex
Date: January 03, 2010 at 12:50 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/junior-dos-santos.21013/
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anonymouswriter said:
*This topic may have been talked about several times, I searched and didn't see too much*
Dos Santos, in my opinion, is in an interesting situation. He is extremely talented, 18-0 as a kickboxer and 10-1 in MMA. The interesting situation is that he weighs 230ish. What I wanted to discuss is whether he can deal with the likes of 280 pound wrestlers or if he could possibly cut to 205 where he would be as physically strong as the other fighters?
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I would put him more at 240ish. He's a pretty big dude, and not really flabby at all, so I don''t think a cut to 205 is feasible. He would get smashed by Lesnar if Lesnar could get him down, but then, nobody knows if Lesnar is coming back. Lesnar is probably a one off in terms of size, power, speed, and ground control in the HW division. With Lesnar in, Dos Santos is in no mans land of being able to beat most (if not all?) guys in the division except for the title holder. Either way, he should probably be trying to put on some weight.
 
Originally posted by: warjunkie
Date: January 03, 2010 at 12:57 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/junior-dos-santos.21013/
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anonymouswriter said:
*This topic may have been talked about several times, I searched and didn't see too much*
Dos Santos, in my opinion, is in an interesting situation. He is extremely talented, 18-0 as a kickboxer and 10-1 in MMA. The interesting situation is that he weighs 230ish. What I wanted to discuss is whether he can deal with the likes of 280 pound wrestlers or if he could possibly cut to 205 where he would be as physically strong as the other fighters?
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How many 280lb wrestlers are in the HW division? Brock and Carwin (who we haven't seen wrestle in the octagon yet). It's not like the division is filled with 280lb freaks, Dos Santos is in the right weight class IMO. Cutting weight is not an easy task. Some people on these message board don't understand how hard it is mentally on you to cut weight.
 
Originally posted by: lyotomachine
Date: January 03, 2010 at 12:58 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/junior-dos-santos.21013/
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See there's a guy named frank mir and he fought a guy named brock lesnar. he weighed about 240 whilst brock weighed around 280.
Frank is one of the best ground fighters in the world. But the weight was too much and this happend.
 
Originally posted by: Nitro
Date: January 03, 2010 at 01:04 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/junior-dos-santos.21013/
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The smaller/lighter heavyweight who can strike can have the advantage over the bigger guy if the fight stays standing - look at Fedor or Cro Cop - Dos Santos could KO Lesnar before it ever hit the ground..
 
Originally posted by: lyotomachine
Date: January 03, 2010 at 01:09 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/junior-dos-santos.21013/
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said the same thing bout mir. All we heard was how much mir's striking had improve n how badass he was and then the above happened. ALTHOUGH I WOULD LOVE FOR BROCK TO GET ZULU'D
 
Originally posted by: Neonep
Date: January 03, 2010 at 01:10 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/junior-dos-santos.21013/
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I think he should stay at heavyweight simple!
He is around 6'3 or 6'4, he is pretty cut, his body size is perfect for his weight, and most importantly of all is that he is
WINNING
fights! If it ain't broke then don't try to fix it! Why are we discussing his weight after he just stopped an experienced and pretty good heavyweight in the first round! The question now is who is he going to fight next! Cain, Carwin, & Mir are all tied up with up coming fights and giving him someone coming off a loss would be disrespectful! I think he is just going to have to wait to and let the fights scheduled unfold and we will see from there!
 
Originally posted by: EAJames
Date: January 03, 2010 at 01:18 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/junior-dos-santos.21013/
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I really wanted to see him fight Gonzaga but its unfortunate that fight got broken up. Much like Paul Daley, I want to see him fight against someone with strong ground skills or wrestling skills. Perhaps one of the losers of Cain/Nog/Mir/Carwin and than see where he stands.
 
Originally posted by: mmafan0702
Date: January 03, 2010 at 01:21 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/junior-dos-santos.21013/
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The dude is a beast, really impressive KO... I was really underrating the guy, but he definitely won me over and proved his striking skills are among the best at HW.
WAR JDS
 
Originally posted by: Hitman21
Date: January 03, 2010 at 01:41 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/junior-dos-santos.21013/
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lyotomachine said:
See there's a guy named frank mir and he fought a guy named brock lesnar. he weighed about 240 whilst brock weighed around 280.
Frank is one of the best ground fighters in the world. But the weight was too much and this happend.
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because Frank Mir is overrated, thats right I said it.
there was a guy name Randy Couture, he was 46 years old, and 60 pounds lighter than Brock. he gave Brock a run for his money, he actually fought Brock better than Mir. I actually think he won that first round.
JDS striking is just awesome, he is one of the best fighters in UFC HW division, he has wins over Werdum, Crocop and Yvel, thats damn good resume. He should start getting some respect. I think JDS would beat the s--- out of Mir and Velasquez. He trains with both Nogs, Anderson, Machida and has trained with Shogun. If he goes on every day with the best UFC has, then he is not intimidated by anyone out there.
 
Originally posted by: jvillain
Date: January 03, 2010 at 01:58 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/junior-dos-santos.21013/
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Lesnar really screws up the heavy weight division. With him in the mix then every one has to focus on putting on mass, with out him then the division is actually really competitive as it is. HW is far more interesting with out Lesnar than it is with him, which is one of the reasons why I think there should be a SHW division again.
 
Originally posted by: mmafanatic
Date: January 03, 2010 at 02:11 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/junior-dos-santos.21013/
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WOW! That's all I can say about JDS. I've had him ranked in the top 6-8 HW's since his win over Werdum, but I honestly thought this was a bad matchup and picked Yvel to win. What a mistake.
Who's next? With Mir/Carwin coming and Velasquez fighting his mentor Big Nog, I think Gabriel Gonzaga has to be his next opponent.
 
Originally posted by: Gnarcore
Date: January 03, 2010 at 02:14 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/junior-dos-santos.21013/
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Hitman21 said:
lyotomachine said:
See there's a guy named frank mir and he fought a guy named brock lesnar. he weighed about 240 whilst brock weighed around 280.
Frank is one of the best ground fighters in the world. But the weight was too much and this happend.
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because Frank Mir is overrated, thats right I said it.
there was a guy name Randy Couture, he was 46 years old, and 60 pounds lighter than Brock. he gave Brock a run for his money, he actually fought Brock better than Mir. I actually think he won that first round.
JDS striking is just awesome, he is one of the best fighters in UFC HW division, he has wins over Werdum, Crocop and Yvel, thats damn good resume. He should start getting some respect. I think JDS would beat the s**t out of Mir and Velasquez. He trains with both Nogs, Anderson, Machida and has trained with Shogun. If he goes on every day with the best UFC has, then he is not intimidated by anyone out there.
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He also trains with Mark Munoz who is a NCAA national wrestling champ down at Black House. Those guys having such a high level wrestler now in their camp is great for everyone at Black House and, judging from how much better he looked tonight, Munoz as well.
 
Originally posted by: lyotomachine
Date: January 03, 2010 at 02:21 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/junior-dos-santos.21013/
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Hitman21 said:
lyotomachine said:
See there's a guy named frank mir and he fought a guy named brock lesnar. he weighed about 240 whilst brock weighed around 280.
Frank is one of the best ground fighters in the world. But the weight was too much and this happend.
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because Frank Mir is overrated, thats right I said it.
there was a guy name Randy Couture, he was 46 years old, and 60 pounds lighter than Brock. he gave Brock a run for his money, he actually fought Brock better than Mir. I actually think he won that first round.
JDS striking is just awesome, he is one of the best fighters in UFC HW division, he has wins over Werdum, Crocop and Yvel, thats damn good resume. He should start getting some respect. I think JDS would beat the s**t out of Mir and Velasquez. He trains with both Nogs, Anderson, Machida and has trained with Shogun. If he goes on every day with the best UFC has, then he is not intimidated by anyone out there.
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I agree JDS is legit and I love him(no h---) but I seriously think if he got a title shot or fought one of these big guys he'd be in trouble. All they'd have to do is dodge one punch clinch and takedown. GNP the s--- outta him
 
Originally posted by: Hitman21
Date: January 03, 2010 at 02:32 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/junior-dos-santos.21013/
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lyotomachine said:
Hitman21 said:
lyotomachine said:
See there's a guy named frank mir and he fought a guy named brock lesnar. he weighed about 240 whilst brock weighed around 280.
Frank is one of the best ground fighters in the world. But the weight was too much and this happend.
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because Frank Mir is overrated, thats right I said it.
there was a guy name Randy Couture, he was 46 years old, and 60 pounds lighter than Brock. he gave Brock a run for his money, he actually fought Brock better than Mir. I actually think he won that first round.
JDS striking is just awesome, he is one of the best fighters in UFC HW division, he has wins over Werdum, Crocop and Yvel, thats damn good resume. He should start getting some respect. I think JDS would beat the s**t out of Mir and Velasquez. He trains with both Nogs, Anderson, Machida and has trained with Shogun. If he goes on every day with the best UFC has, then he is not intimidated by anyone out there.
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I agree JDS is legit and I love him(no ****) but I seriously think if he got a title shot or fought one of these big guys he'd be in trouble. All they'd have to do is dodge one punch clinch and takedown. GNP the s**t outta him
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is easier said than done, and we havent seen his ground game yet, to what I hear, its pretty decent. Listen the only "top" guys that are that big are Mir (who is not known for his GNP) and I think Carwin and Lesnar might pose a problem for JDs but I think JDS will be a problem for them since none of them have fought a guy with Striking like JDS. Who knows that might be Lesnar's and Carwin's weakness.
 
Originally posted by: lyotomachine
Date: January 03, 2010 at 02:43 AM
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no s--- striking is brocks weakness. although i read that he had spent 1 mill on his fight camp for the carwin fight b4 he got sick and it was muay thai based so who knows)
The point isn't how good JDS' ground game is. it's the fact that brock weighs so much more then him
I'm sure his ground game is glorious he trains wit da best. Nogs and AS but i think his game takes afta AS.
 
Originally posted by: Skeletal33
Date: January 03, 2010 at 02:49 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/junior-dos-santos.21013/
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Junior needs some wins over guys like Gonzaga or Mir before talking titleshot. But remember, he's Big Nogs student. Dos Santos won't get a title shot if Nog gets the title
 
Originally posted by: lyotomachine
Date: January 03, 2010 at 02:51 AM
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it wouldnt suprise me if jds got one b4 nog. Does dana not like nog or somethin
 
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