Kongo out, Frank Mir in against Roy Nelson

Originally posted by: timmyblizzard
Date: May 05, 2010 at 05:20 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kongo-out-frank-mir-in-against-roy-nelson.25182/
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MikeyHatTrick said:
im a big Mir fan
intellect plus skill plus heart makes me a fan
yes, it is a bit of an asswipe sometimes but he speaks his mind in an articulate manner
but
i think this is nelsons fight to lose, nelson has better stand up, and has been able to get in on Struve and Schaub
Mirs Standup credential are picking apart a Staph infection Nog and a one shot punch to Kongo that he recovered from rather quickly
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Roy does not have better stand up, Mir is far more technical and his footwork & head movement are much better. It sounds like you equate punching power to total ability. Roy definitely hits harder though so I wouldn’t rule out a Nelson KO by any means but I don’t think you can say Roy Nelson has "better" stand up. Mir tooled Kongo, a more than decent striker, through head movement and technique. Nog may not have been his best but Mir looked better that night than Nelson has ever even imagined he could in his bestest dreams. Roy bum rushed Struve throwing hay makers and landed one.
I think that aggression can be effective against Mir because the guy seems to fold under pressure but in terms of total striking ability (skillset, speed, power, footwork, athleticism) Mir is definitely a better striker.
 
Originally posted by: sayed
Date: May 05, 2010 at 02:07 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kongo-out-frank-mir-in-against-roy-nelson.25182/
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Mir has a better standup, better ground game, better bjj
Mir murders Nelson
 
Originally posted by: 4ozfighta
Date: May 05, 2010 at 02:22 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kongo-out-frank-mir-in-against-roy-nelson.25182/
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frank mir is going to destroy roy nelsons winning streak...
 
Originally posted by: CopperHeart
Date: May 05, 2010 at 02:22 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kongo-out-frank-mir-in-against-roy-nelson.25182/
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sayed said:
Mir has a better standup, better ground game, better bjj
Mir murders Nelson
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Mir brags about his superior skills before every loss.
 
Originally posted by: ResoluteProtector
Date: May 05, 2010 at 02:24 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kongo-out-frank-mir-in-against-roy-nelson.25182/
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CopperHeart said:
sayed said:
Mir has a better standup, better ground game, better bjj
Mir murders Nelson
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Mir brags about his superior skills before every loss.
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That's bad news for Nelson, seeing as how Mir has not been doing any bragging lately.
 
Originally posted by: CopperHeart
Date: May 05, 2010 at 02:27 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kongo-out-frank-mir-in-against-roy-nelson.25182/
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JayJonah2384 said:
CopperHeart said:
sayed said:
Mir has a better standup, better ground game, better bjj
Mir murders Nelson
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Mir brags about his superior skills before every loss.
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That's bad news for Nelson, seeing as how Mir has not been doing any bragging lately.
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Originally posted by: ResoluteProtector
Date: May 05, 2010 at 02:32 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kongo-out-frank-mir-in-against-roy-nelson.25182/
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Unless you include him repeatedly asking for a catchweight fight with Silva, as bragging.
 
Originally posted by: CopperHeart
Date: May 05, 2010 at 02:35 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kongo-out-frank-mir-in-against-roy-nelson.25182/
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JayJonah2384 said:
Unless you include him repeatedly asking for a catchweight fight with Silva, as bragging.
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:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
All is well.
 
Originally posted by: D253
Date: May 05, 2010 at 03:33 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kongo-out-frank-mir-in-against-roy-nelson.25182/
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I'm still a fan of Mir so I'll definitely be disappointed if he loses this one.......
I'm hoping this goes the same way as Mir vs Kongo.......
 
Originally posted by: TheLethalLefty
Date: May 05, 2010 at 05:44 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kongo-out-frank-mir-in-against-roy-nelson.25182/
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BaconBits said:
TheLethalLefty said:
Hey guys...guess what! I heard Frank Mir was like sooooo upset with his lost to Carwin, that now he is like a totally different fighter. He is working so so so much harder improving every aspect of his game looking to avenge his loss to Carwin and get back the Heavyweight Title. He is going to run through Roy Nelson and anyone else that gets in his way because of how good he is now. Forget anything else that has happened with him before today concerning Frank Mir 1.0 and Frank Mir 2.0. Why? Because here comes Frank Mir 3.0! NOW he is ready to avenge every loss and rule the Heavyweights!
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I hate to tell you, but Frank Mir 3.0 will still have nothing for Brock Lesnar, Cain Velasquez or Shane Carwin. Frank can work as hard as he wants, but his wrestling will never be at the level of these three guys.
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Sorry if you couldn't pick up my sarcasm. I was just making fun of all of those people who were trying to hype a Mir 2.0 after he lost to Brock citing getting a different boxing coach and hitting the gym more often. Frank Mir 2.0 is bulls--- and so is any alleged Frank Mir 3.0
 
Originally posted by: mightymice
Date: May 05, 2010 at 05:59 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kongo-out-frank-mir-in-against-roy-nelson.25182/
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I wouldn't be surprised if Frank Mir still fancies himself as a striker. I think Mir's biggest problem is that he truly thinks he is better than he actually is. His gameplan against Roy will very likely be to prove how awesome he is at striking, and just watch him get knocked silly.
 
Originally posted by: mmafan0702
Date: May 05, 2010 at 06:03 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kongo-out-frank-mir-in-against-roy-nelson.25182/
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They will probably nullify eachothers jitz, and be hesitant standing but Nelson's edge in wrestling leads me to believe he will most likely LNP his way to a UD.
 
Originally posted by: CodieLynn21
Date: May 05, 2010 at 08:26 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kongo-out-frank-mir-in-against-roy-nelson.25182/
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Mir should win,but if Roy does win and in my opinion he got a 40 percent chance,people will have take him seriously.Definely a better fight than Cheick{go to Strikeforce}Kongo
 
Originally posted by: timmyblizzard
Date: May 06, 2010 at 04:16 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kongo-out-frank-mir-in-against-roy-nelson.25182/
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CopperHeart said:
Mir brags about his superior skills before every loss.
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No, more like every victory. You remember the Kongo fight, he said quite clearly that Kongo's ground game sucked and that he thought his hands were better, and guess what happened: Mir drops Kongo in the first minute with his superior hands and chokes him out cold.
Remember what he was saying before the Carwin fight? That Carwin was a tougher fight than Lesnar because he was so dangerous standing and as a wrestler. I don't remember him saying once he was going to tool Carwin, and he lost.
Recently Mir has been pretty good at calling the outcome of his own fights. Of course no one is going to say they are going to loose but when the fight is going to be tough Mir says so.
 
Originally posted by: timmyblizzard
Date: May 06, 2010 at 04:17 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kongo-out-frank-mir-in-against-roy-nelson.25182/
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mightmice said:
I wouldn't be surprised if Frank Mir still fancies himself as a striker. I think Mir's biggest problem is that he truly thinks he is better than he actually is. His gameplan against Roy will very likely be to prove how awesome he is at striking, and just watch him get knocked silly.
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Mir is a good striker, when's the last time anyone had any success standing with Mir? Brandon Verra in 2006 that's when.
Anyway what game plan would you impalement if you were Mir? You don't have the best TD's so its going to be hard to get top position on Roy, his top game is his best asset so your probably not going to pull guard (even though your guard is excellent its playing into his strength), you have a reach and skill advantage striking although he hits harder. What would you do? To me the most realistic game-plan would be to stay on the outside and hit him with combo's (use footwork to get in and out) and work diligently on your counterpunching (Nelson stays wide open when he swings) and head movement.
 
Originally posted by: timmyblizzard
Date: May 06, 2010 at 04:17 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kongo-out-frank-mir-in-against-roy-nelson.25182/
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AndreEmelianenkovski said:
They will probably nullify eachothers jitz, and be hesitant standing but Nelson's edge in wrestling leads me to believe he will most likely LNP his way to a UD.
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You have to remember though Mir is going to be hard to take down for nelson, the guy is massive these days.
cool14 said:
In Roy's last fights , he start aggressive throwing big punches. He will do the same with Mir and KO him in 1st round.
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This is the only way I see Roy winning, and he has a pretty decent chance of doing so. Still if Mir can keep him at distance he should be able to pick him apart.
 
Originally posted by: Portillo
Date: May 06, 2010 at 05:11 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kongo-out-frank-mir-in-against-roy-nelson.25182/
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I can imagine Mir refusing this fight.
 
Originally posted by: tapouttq
Date: May 06, 2010 at 05:12 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kongo-out-frank-mir-in-against-roy-nelson.25182/
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I would love to see this fight and hope that it happens
I am leaning towards Roy only really on the fact that Mir would need to win the fight and fighting with that kind of pressure is never a good start
 
Originally posted by: ResoluteProtector
Date: May 06, 2010 at 06:05 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kongo-out-frank-mir-in-against-roy-nelson.25182/
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Portillo said:
I can imagine Mir refusing this fight.
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Why?
 
Originally posted by: Portillo
Date: May 06, 2010 at 06:21 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kongo-out-frank-mir-in-against-roy-nelson.25182/
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Arrogance. "Im too good for Nelson".
 
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