Liddell undecided on retirement

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ThatWillBeAll
Date: June 20, 2010 at 01:13 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/liddell-undecided-on-retirement.26972/

Chuck is an intelligent guy. He's also an adult that is more than capable of making his own decisions.
Its his legacy, therefore its his choice whether to risk tarnishing it with losses to Coleman or Ortiz. I don't think me or you are in a position to judge whether its suicide, or medically risky. Lets defer to the athletic commissions on that one. If they are willing to license him to fight, I'm more than willing to pay my $45 to see it.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Jak
Date: June 20, 2010 at 01:13 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/liddell-undecided-on-retirement.26972/

sourpuss said:
You have to ask yourself how much of the blame you're willing to take when he becomes a complete vegetable.
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Zero blame.
I don't mind if he retires either. i was mostly just looking at the other side. if a guy is a natural born fighter, who's anybody else to take that away from him? It's like everyday life, you can think peoples decisions are wrong, and you can be outspoken about it but at the end of the day... it's their decision. They're going to do what they want to do. trying to stop them, is like someone trying to stop you from doing something you want because they don't agree with you.
Either way...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: D253
Date: June 20, 2010 at 01:34 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/liddell-undecided-on-retirement.26972/

$H!T like this breaks my F#(Kin heart man.......
I'm a huge Chuck Liddell fan and I'm a huge Rich Franklin fan as well.
So, that fight was interesting as well as bad for me as I didn't want to see either guy lose (and of course obviously get viciously KOed). After seeing that fight and seeing Chuck get KOed with that punch, I have learned a lot about the human "chin" so to speak. I never knew it got worse or more delicate over time (mostly because I never thought about it) but it seems it does. Chuck's chin was great in his time but now it so fragile its sad.
I don't want to see Liddell figHt anymore, for obvious reasons.........
I hope Dana White keeps his word and doesn't let Chuck fight anymore.
Oh, and for the record: Chuck Liddell WAS doing great against Rich Franklin! He looked awesome

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: sourpuss
Date: June 20, 2010 at 01:38 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/liddell-undecided-on-retirement.26972/

You're not looking t the evidence.
He has been (t)ko'd at a ratio higher then anyone else in the sport.
Would you be willing to watch him die because he's a fighter and that's what he wants to do?
Of course the decision is his. That gors without saying. But should fans be influencing him to continue by making such posts just for thir entertainment?
Maybe some of you don't care about his health, but my advise would be to hang up the gloves while he can still string 5 words together into a sentence.
Those of you saying he should continue have obviously never been knocked out or understand what the repercussions are.
If he's simply been losing, that's one thing. But this guy's life is on the line. I for one won't encourage him to take any more damage.
Besides....do you think he's really going to win again? Maybe against some can....but what's the glory in that?!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: JonnyRico
Date: June 20, 2010 at 01:42 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/liddell-undecided-on-retirement.26972/

sourpuss said:
You're not looking t the evidence.
He has been (t)ko'd at a ratio higher then anyone else in the sport.
Would you be willing to watch him die because he's a fighter and that's what he wants to do?
Of course the decision is his. That gors without saying. But should fans be influencing him to continue by making such posts just for thir entertainment?
Maybe some of you don't care about his health, but my advise would be to hang up the gloves while he can still string 5 words together into a sentence.
Those of you saying he should continue have obviously never been knocked out or understand what the repercussions are.
If he's simply been losing, that's one thing. But this guy's life is on the line. I for one won't encourage him to take any more damage.
Besides....do you think he's really going to win again? Maybe against some can....but what's the glory in that?!
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Pretty sure he wont die if he has one more fight...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ThatWillBeAll
Date: June 20, 2010 at 01:48 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/liddell-undecided-on-retirement.26972/

BigLEFT said:
I hope Dana White keeps his word and doesn't let Chuck fight anymore.
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Since the rest of your post was all just opinion, I'm not going to argue with it. But the part I've quoted doesn't make much sense.
Its simply not up to Dana if Chuck fights any more. Dana can stop him fighting in the UFC, he can't stop him fighting anywhere else. Dana can shelf him for 12 months then release him, release him right away, or keep him fighting.
If Chuck says he's fighting, then he's fighting. Nothing Lorenzo or Dana can do about that.
From the UFC point of view, they would be far better to give CHuck favorable matchups and keep him under Zuffa control, than let him be a massive draw fighting in California (his home state) for Strikeforce.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: clockwerk
Date: June 20, 2010 at 01:52 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/liddell-undecided-on-retirement.26972/

Oh my god Chuck, please retire. We all love you and respect you and understand that you've been in wars and your resilience has been broken down.
There's a fundamental problem here: If Chuck wants to keep fighting, he needs to fight defensively and protect his chin, because EVERYONE now knows it's extremely vulnerable. Unfortunately, Chuck, other than being in better shape, looked like the Chuck of old, hands down and swinging. If he keeps fighting like that, he will continue to lose, even to lesser fighters.
However, if he stops fighting like that, he won't be Chuck anymore.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: CanJunkie40
Date: June 20, 2010 at 01:56 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/liddell-undecided-on-retirement.26972/

Send him over to Strikeforce so he can s--- his pants with no dignity like he wants to.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: sourpuss
Date: June 20, 2010 at 02:03 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/liddell-undecided-on-retirement.26972/

JonnyRico said:
sourpuss said:
You're not looking t the evidence.
He has been (t)ko'd at a ratio higher then anyone else in the sport.
Would you be willing to watch him die because he's a fighter and that's what he wants to do?
Of course the decision is his. That gors without saying. But should fans be influencing him to continue by making such posts just for thir entertainment?
Maybe some of you don't care about his health, but my advise would be to hang up the gloves while he can still string 5 words together into a sentence.
Those of you saying he should continue have obviously never been knocked out or understand what the repercussions are.
If he's simply been losing, that's one thing. But this guy's life is on the line. I for one won't encourage him to take any more damage.
Besides....do you think he's really going to win again? Maybe against some can....but what's the glory in that?!
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Pretty sure he wont die if he has one more fight...
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I didn't say he'd die. I meant if that was his choice you'd still back him.
Look at his last 5 fights and tell me the man should continue.
Sadists.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: sourpuss
Date: June 20, 2010 at 02:10 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/liddell-undecided-on-retirement.26972/

ThatWillBeAll said:
BigLEFT said:
I hope Dana White keeps his word and doesn't let Chuck fight anymore.
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Since the rest of your post was all just opinion, I'm not going to argue with it. But the part I've quoted doesn't make much sense.
Its simply not up to Dana if Chuck fights any more. Dana can stop him fighting in the UFC, he can't stop him fighting anywhere else. Dana can shelf him for 12 months then release him, release him right away, or keep him fighting.
If Chuck says he's fighting, then he's fighting. Nothing Lorenzo or Dana can do about that.
From the UFC point of view, they would be far better to give CHuck favorable matchups and keep him under Zuffa control, than let him be a massive draw fighting in California (his home state) for Strikeforce.
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If he was released from the UFC he WOULD NOT FIGHT FOR STRIKEFORCE.
Just think about that for a minute. There's no possible way he'd ever do that to his life-long friend...ever.
This is just pure bloodlust...at all cost.
Do any of you who want him to continue, understand what goes on in the brain when you get KO'd?
Stop pittying his feelings and start caring about the mans' health. His later years are already guaranteed to be sad and if he keeps getting hit in the head it'll happen sooner than later. If he keeps going it's partially due to fans encouraging him to keep going.
I have always been a HUGE FAN of chucks, and I don't want to see his life ruined because some people tells him he should keep going.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Tgilb2007
Date: June 20, 2010 at 02:15 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/liddell-undecided-on-retirement.26972/

I am a huge fan of Chuck, but yea, its time to hang them up. His health is the primary reason. His mind wants to keep going, but I don't think his body can take it anymore.
Personally, I hope he does one of a few things:
Trains other fighters, in kickboxing. TUF showed that he can be a damn good trainer/coach. Two stints in doing show proved that.
Broadcasting, either for UFC/WEC, or even Inside MMA or some other MMA show.
Some sort of job promoting the UFC, NOT fighting.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Maximumpain
Date: June 20, 2010 at 02:23 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/liddell-undecided-on-retirement.26972/

ThatWillBeAll said:
Maximumpain said:
He may be undecided on his retirement, but Dana seems to have made up his mind. We'll see if he sticks by his statements considering how much he loves marketable fighters. I could really see him just absolving Chuck's contract and making him some sort of UFC liaison.
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But the thing is, if Chuck wants to keep fighting Dana can't force him into some sort of liaison role. He's got two options - either give in and let him fight again, or rip up his contract and let him go to Strikeforce. At best Dana could sideline him for 6-12 months, but at that point Chuck can go do what he wants.
I still want to see him fight. He can still win his next fight, against Tito or Lawal - one past his prime, the other not actually any good, and both with woeful stand up.
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You really think Chuck would fight for SF? Really? The way I see it
Chuck
is the one with two options. Take whatever liaison job Dana gives him, or risk burning the bridge that got him were he is. I don't think this will turn into a Cheeto-like saga. And speaking of Cheeto, I never had any interest in seeing the two of them fight again. Or seeing Cheeto ever fight again, against anyone, ever.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ThatWillBeAll
Date: June 20, 2010 at 02:29 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/liddell-undecided-on-retirement.26972/

Maximumpain said:
You really think Chuck would fight for SF? Really? The way I see it
Chuck
is the one with two options. Take whatever liaison job Dana gives him, or risk burning the bridge that got him were he is. I don't think this will turn into a Cheeto-like saga. And speaking of Cheeto, I never had any interest in seeing the two of them fight again. Or seeing Cheeto ever fight again, against anyone, ever.
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Why would it matter if he burns bridges with Zuffa? If he leaves he's obviously not coming back, so being in Danas bad book wouldn't matter at all. Seems chuck likes fighting - I think he'd rather fight in Strikeforce than be an office boy for Zuffa. Chuck is still the one holding the aces here, not Dana. And Dana knows it.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Maximumpain
Date: June 20, 2010 at 02:32 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/liddell-undecided-on-retirement.26972/

ThatWillBeAll said:
Maximumpain said:
You really think Chuck would fight for SF? Really? The way I see it
Chuck
is the one with two options. Take whatever liaison job Dana gives him, or risk burning the bridge that got him were he is. I don't think this will turn into a Cheeto-like saga. And speaking of Cheeto, I never had any interest in seeing the two of them fight again. Or seeing Cheeto ever fight again, against anyone, ever.
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Why would it matter if he burns bridges with Zuffa? If he leaves he's obviously not coming back, so being in Danas bad book wouldn't matter at all. Seems chuck likes fighting - I think he'd rather fight in Strikeforce than be an office boy for Zuffa. Chuck is still the one holding the aces here, not Dana. And Dana knows it.
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My point is I don't see him leaving period. I think he's established enough of a professional as well as personal relationship with the people in the UFC that he will choose loyalty to them over the continuation of his fighting career. We shall see.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: CF3
Date: June 20, 2010 at 02:46 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/liddell-undecided-on-retirement.26972/

it's time Chuck. for me it's not the KO loses..... it's that fact he refuses to evolve past the "i'm gonna knock um' out" mindset. and even that wouldn't be that bad if he would mix it up instead of the "big right hand" strategy. everybody in the game has seen the tape and knows how to counter at this point. Chuck has been an awesome fighter, win or lose. I've never seen a boring Liddell fight. he's a true warrior and not afraid to put it all on the line in every fight. BUT .....there comes a time when you have to honest with yourself. he's 40, he's not evolving anymore, and he's picked up the bad habit of taking power-naps inside the octagon. if he still wants to fight, he needs to do it in a different organization against lower level opponents( and for a lot less money.) Thanks for all the years of awesome fights Iceman, and best of luck in the future.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: D253
Date: June 20, 2010 at 05:45 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/liddell-undecided-on-retirement.26972/

ThatWillBeAll said:
BigLEFT said:
I hope Dana White keeps his word and doesn't let Chuck fight anymore.
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Since the rest of your post was all just opinion, I'm not going to argue with it. But the part I've quoted doesn't make much sense.
Its simply not up to Dana if Chuck fights any more. Dana can stop him fighting in the UFC, he can't stop him fighting anywhere else. Dana can shelf him for 12 months then release him, release him right away, or keep him fighting.
If Chuck says he's fighting, then he's fighting. Nothing Lorenzo or Dana can do about that.
From the UFC point of view, they would be far better to give CHuck favorable matchups and keep him under Zuffa control, than let him be a massive draw fighting in California (his home state) for Strikeforce.
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I know Dana can't "Make" him not fight (I miss worded that).
I meant more along the lines of talking him out of it if Chuck tries another comeback.
I saw and interview where Dana "guarantees" that Chuck is done (I know, I know, Dana makes a lot of empty promises, blah blah blah, but I feel like he is really passionate about this one, obviously)
On a side note: Chuck Liddell fighting in ANY other organization besides UFC is not even fathom-able to me. He is best friends with the president of the UFC, I think that speaks for itself