Matt Brown vs Carlos Condit official for UFC on FOX 9
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I'm not saying Condit has great TDD, he doesn't mainly because his offense off his back is enough to deal with most fighters. However, to look at fights with GSP and Hendricks as examples is bad form in my opinion. GSP has a TD rate of 84% and takes every fighter down, pretty much at will, including wrestlers like Kos, Fitch, and Hughes, as well as fighters that had great TDD like Penn. Hendricks has a 50% TD rate and has taken down every fighter that he didn't just KTFO. You might look at the number of takedowns Condit fell to in those fights as being excessive, but to me it showed the thing he was able to do against them that most fighters have not been able to do, and that is get up.
If you're going to talk smack about his TDD, at least use Kampmann as an example instead.
67goat said:
I'm not saying Condit has great TDD, he doesn't mainly because his offense off his back is enough to deal with most fighters. However, to look at fights with GSP and Hendricks as examples is bad form in my opinion. GSP has a TD rate of 84% and takes every fighter down, pretty much at will, including wrestlers like Kos, Fitch, and Hughes, as well as fighters that had great TDD like Penn. Hendricks has a 50% TD rate and has taken down every fighter that he didn't just KTFO. You might look at the number of takedowns Condit fell to in those fights as being excessive, but to me it showed the thing he was able to do against them that most fighters have not been able to do, and that is get up.
If you're going to talk smack about his TDD, at least use Kampmann as an example instead.
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The Hendricks fight, yes, Carlos got back up a lot. Of the 12 TDs, Carlos got up from 10 of them, most fairly soon after the TD.
Against GSP, not so much. Of the 7 takedowns, effectively 4 went to the end of the round. And of the 3 times he got back up fully, he had been on his back for a bit.
Fisticuffs said:
I seem to remember Anderson finishing Sonnen both times. The second fight was "dominant."
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The second fight was dominant? Sonnen took Silva down within the fist 8 seconds, never let him get back up and eventually passed guard. It was Silva that got dominated by Sonnen in the 1st round.
My point was that Condit never had close to the amount of success that Sonnen had against Silva.
Spidy said:
The thing I don't understand d here is you say you are a GSP fan and a big one if I remember propey, not a given,
he has to fight someone no? You may be right as far as his next move , be it up/down in weight cause he and Rory have some type of master plan in effect to avoid facing each other. Of course both have legitimate tests ahead to pass before any contingent plans go into effect. Depending on what that plan is and the results of upcoming fights, there is a really good chance of GSP/Condit 2 happening. Like it or not
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Yes I am a GSP fan. But if he beats Hendricks and refuses to fight Rory, I think his only move is to go up to MW. Your alternative of GSP fighting Condit just doesn't do it for me. I have no interest in watching GSP dominate Condit for another 5 rounds (and I don't think I'm alone).
Thak27 said:
Yes I am a GSP fan. But if he beats Hendricks and refuses to fight Rory, I think his only move is to go up to MW. Your alternative of GSP fighting Condit just doesn't do it for me. I have no interest in watching GSP dominate Condit for another 5 rounds (and I don't think I'm alone).
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It really boils down to what GSP wants to do moving forward, assuming he wins the next one. According to him, it would be actually easier making LW than moving up, so that is also an option, or remain at WW and continue doing what he do. Rory may be the one moving up since he is clearly the larger man. If Condit continues winning, he will get another crack at the Strap. Probably right after the Brown fight,once again, assuming he wins
67goat said:
That tired argument? Condit came to win and fight (he actually started the majority of the exchanges). It isn't his fault Diaz only knows how to slowly plod forward n a straight line.
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Lay n prayers will say the same thing. Is it their fault their opponent can't stop the TD? No but i hate fights like Guida vs Hioki or Schaub vs Johnson. Condit vs Diaz was the fight of the century in the making and it did not deliver.
Edit: Condit is a warrior and his fights are awsome (except the fight with Diaz)