NRA Want Armed Guards In Schools

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: FullItalian
Date: December 21, 2012 at 04:44 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/nra-want-armed-guards-in-schools.50369/

And when the armed guard gets killed millions of dollars have been wasted. Instead of armed guards in every school, how about some research funding to look into those who are mentally ill. They are the problem... not the guns, not the police.. its the mentally ill.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Spud
Date: December 21, 2012 at 04:47 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/nra-want-armed-guards-in-schools.50369/

Did the assault rifle ban help in the US?
I'm not too familiar with UK gun laws, but as far as I'm aware only shotguns & hunting rifles are legal, and obtaining a license isn't as easy as in the US, and this seems to have worked.
The United Kingdom has one of the lowest rates of
gun homicides
in the world with 0.07 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants in 2009 compared to the United States' 3.0 (over 40 times higher) and to Germany's 0.21 (3 times higher) (From wikipedia, referenced from UN documents)

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Sapper
Date: December 21, 2012 at 04:51 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/nra-want-armed-guards-in-schools.50369/

Spud said:
Did the assault rifle ban help in the US?
I'm not too familiar with UK gun laws, but as far as I'm aware only shotguns & hunting rifles are legal, and obtaining a license isn't as easy as in the US, and this seems to have worked.
The United Kingdom has one of the lowest rates of
gun homicides
in the world with 0.07 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants in 2009 compared to the United States' 3.0 (over 40 times higher) and to Germany's 0.21 (3 times higher) (From wikipedia, referenced from UN documents)
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Columbine happened during the ban. The assault weapons ban was a joke. If the gun was made before the ban you could still buy it. Also it was legal to buy parts for the gun they were just way over priced. So you could still buy the upper for an AR-15 then buy the Lower both would cost around 600-900 dollars. The worst part is to just buy the parts there was not background check and they could be sent to you house, not a gun dealer. It was the law that was on paper, but did nothing but cost people money.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: RearNakedSlam
Date: December 21, 2012 at 05:00 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/nra-want-armed-guards-in-schools.50369/

This is more ridiculous than putting metal detectors in schools, but less ridiculous than simple increasing gun control.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: LighthouseKeeper
Date: December 21, 2012 at 06:52 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/nra-want-armed-guards-in-schools.50369/

Recipe for disasters

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: 1BlandEmulator
Date: December 21, 2012 at 10:33 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/nra-want-armed-guards-in-schools.50369/

I'm surprised the NRA didn't advocate arming students.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: keystone
Date: December 21, 2012 at 11:26 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/nra-want-armed-guards-in-schools.50369/

I
Spud said:
The NRA today said that they want armed guards in schools and that "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun".
I'm from the UK, so I'm not sure what the American response to this is, so what are the opinions here on guns in schools?
The general opinion from the UK is that the NRA are crazy, and the thought of having armed guards in schools is ridiculous.
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I dont know why you would think the NRA is crazy. It's composed of millions of members, most of which just slap an NRA sticker on there vehicles. They train thousands of cops/military annual. They have saved countless lives with there training of civilians on protecting there family. The NRA is not crazy, believing that the government will protect you is crazy.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: mmablaster
Date: December 22, 2012 at 12:25 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/nra-want-armed-guards-in-schools.50369/

FullItalian said:
And when the armed guard gets killed millions of dollars have been wasted. Instead of armed guards in every school, how about some research funding to look into those who are mentally ill. They are the problem... not the guns, not the police.. its the mentally ill.
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Yeah, that is basically my opinion. State spending on mental institutions has been cut dramatically in the past 20 years. I remember a large facility in Michigan getting closed when I was in high school in the mid 90's, and a large one in Illinois getting closed in the early 00's when I was in college. Instead of treatment, it seems that we just dope up people nowadays. They stop taking the drugs and it spirals out of control. I'd guess that many people that would normally have went to a mental institution in the 50's-80's now just get put on drugs, or get nothing. Bad stuff happens.
I voted no because I had an armed dean at my middle school because of some gang issues. I'd guess if a kid came in with a couple AR's and body armor, and chaos breaks out, the armed dean wouldn't have been basically useless. Because of his gun, the school wouldn't allow him to physically break up fights, he'd basically yell at them and then ring up others on his walkie talkie. He was a waste. I'd guess he made 25-30K.
I went to a rural high school that had a cop come in for about an hour a couple times a week, he'd walk the halls, say hi to teachers and students and take off. It was always on random days. He was much more official, and I'd trust him way more than the armed dean, who would probably duck and cover if crap went down.
In regards to gun control, I don't think you need a 30+ round clip to hunt or defend yourself.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: madictionary
Date: December 22, 2012 at 12:47 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/nra-want-armed-guards-in-schools.50369/

I voted Yes. Most criminals become discouraged when police, or even armed security are around. I'll give you a quick example. I used to spend alot of time in Downtown Dallas. If someone fvcks with you during the day, you can just walk into any high-rise building, and there will be cops, security, etc. there to potentially help you. So, being followed is an easy fix.
Same place at night, the scumbags outnumber the armed guards, and they are alot more quick to attempt to mug/rob people. At the very least, we can have a couple employees at each school with access to police radio, and cops on standby for a quick reaction.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Spud
Date: December 22, 2012 at 10:23 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/nra-want-armed-guards-in-schools.50369/

keystone said:
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I dont know why you would think the NRA is crazy. It's composed of millions of members, most of which just slap an NRA sticker on there vehicles. They train thousands of cops/military annual. They have saved countless lives with there training of civilians on protecting there family. The NRA is not crazy, believing that the government will protect you is crazy.
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Nothing that you mentioned has anything to do with the issue I'm on about. Rather than looking at a way to stop the "bad guys" getting guns, the NRA are just looking for more ways to get more guns in schools. Putting guns in schools is not the answer, plenty other countries have ways of keeping their schools safe without weapons & are successful in doing so.
They clearly have a lot of support in America, and a lot of people there seem to think you need an assault rifle to defend your home, but , from what I've seen, the general opinion towards the NRA is extremely negative.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: phoenix-mma
Date: December 22, 2012 at 11:30 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/nra-want-armed-guards-in-schools.50369/

Shocked that the NRA is pushing for more guns. I'm eager to hear their plan on fighting forest fires. The blatantly ignored the issue of making guns readily available to the mentally ill, and chalked it up to "Natural Born Killers". So, rather than take a hard look at the number of people that SHOULD not own guns due to their mental state, let's just combat it with putting MORE guns in the hands of people with questionable mental capacity.
But yeah, i think it's a great idea. We have so many eager gun owners that like to volunteer to help their community.....like George Zimmerman.
#sarcasm

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: keystone
Date: December 22, 2012 at 04:19 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/nra-want-armed-guards-in-schools.50369/

phoenix-mma said:
Shocked that the NRA is pushing for more guns. I'm eager to hear their plan on fighting forest fires. The blatantly ignored the issue of making guns readily available to the mentally ill, and chalked it up to "Natural Born Killers". So, rather than take a hard look at the number of people that SHOULD not own guns due to their mental state, let's just combat it with putting MORE guns in the hands of people with questionable mental capacity.
But yeah, i think it's a great idea. We have so many eager gun owners that like to volunteer to help their community.....like George Zimmerman.
#sarcasm
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This sounds like a rant against the NRA that has nothing to do with what was discussed during the press conference with their president. Why would they give plans on forest fires? Everyone has been waiting for a response from the NRA and so they gave one. Who has been talking about putting more guns into the hands of people with questionable mental capacity? Sounds like a lot of people on here cant understand that bad things are going to happen regardless of what laws are put into place.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Spud
Date: December 23, 2012 at 08:33 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/nra-want-armed-guards-in-schools.50369/

You're right, bad things are going to happen regardless, but when there are more guns out there, there's a higher chance of a mentally unstable person getting their hands on one. The stats speak for themselves, where guns are more available, more people are killed by shootings.
As I've said I'm from the UK and we've got strict gun control here, and I'm not going to say that it's perfect (it's far from it), but it seems to be pretty damn effective at decreasing gun crime.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: 1BlandEmulator
Date: December 23, 2012 at 09:32 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/nra-want-armed-guards-in-schools.50369/

Bad guys will kill people even if you ban guns. So, ban video games instead. That will stop the killing.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Contender
Date: December 24, 2012 at 12:08 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/nra-want-armed-guards-in-schools.50369/

MOAR GUNZ!
I say we train babies from birth to shoot. You can start them on a mini-bb gun, then graduate them to .22 at around 5 years old, and then by 10 they can have a semi-automatic. But no full autos until you're 15 because it just doesn't make sense to be able to fire several hundred rounds a minute until you're right smack in the middle of puberty.