*Poll* Have you lost respect for Penn?

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Roclawzi
Date: March 17, 2009 at 10:38 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/poll-have-you-lost-respect-for-penn.11633/

briN said:
Roclawzi said:
How many people have had things that were clearly against the rules happen to them, appeal and then live with it? Why all the added attention? Maybe they want a rematch where GSP had talc through on him between rounds...
And seriously, his Mom is doing his talking for him now?
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i didnt actually read the article but i dont think she actually talked to the NCAS on what should happen... she was just quoted saying something if they are listening or i hope they do
stuff happens in MMA people "cheat" or do something stupid that changes the outcome of the fight
(IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN KOSCHECK FOUGHT GSP.... GSP HAD A SOLID KIMURA LOCKED IN AND KOSCHECK HELD HIS SHORTS SO GSP COULDNT PULL IT BEHIND KOSCHECKS BACK AND GET THE SUBMISSION VICTORY - WHICHED PISSED ME OFF SOMETHING FIERCE!!!)
- in this case it was HUGE FIGHT! not jst some undercard crap AND GSP had been warned about this in prior fights and inbetween rounds of the actual fight...
LET THEM DO ONE MORE TIME AND SETTLE IT FOR EVER!
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I'm confused because I didn't see that fight. Did they warn GSP about grabbing his shorts and then Koscheck did it?

 

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Originally posted by: Jroc
Date: March 17, 2009 at 10:50 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/poll-have-you-lost-respect-for-penn.11633/

Smasher170 said:
Nope, always have been, always will be a fan of BJ
And damn, HISTORY you must have serious hard on for GSP or undeserved hate for BJ....[cut]
And it don't matter if GSP trains with Kenny or not, Kenny is still gonna get steamrolled
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Yea its going to make it all that much sweeter when all the BJ haters watch Kenflo get destroyed. :lol: Can't wait, And I dont have a problem with BJ's camp filing a complaint, GSP's
corner was trying to give him a edge that he didn't need.

 

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Originally posted by: filipino
Date: March 17, 2009 at 11:02 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/poll-have-you-lost-respect-for-penn.11633/

I had to vote that I never had any respect for him. That overstates it, of course, because I don't actually know him. Based on what I've seen, however, my impression is that he was a spoiled kid who has never been forced to account for his own actions. In this light, "Prodigy" is the perfect nickname for him. He had great success at an early age which, coupled with an upper class upbringing, lead him to a sense of entitlement. This is nothing new for an extremely talented young athlete. A cult of personality built around him in his Hawaiian isolation, and he is surrounded by yes men who view him as infallible. He just seems like a victim of his own success and it's resulting egomania. It's sad to me, more than anything else.
If he really wants to turn it around and create the kind of legacy he seems to want and which his talent warrants, he needs to stop relying so heavily on his own counsel, and start again at a new camp -
somebody else's
camp.

 

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Originally posted by: NYR30AILD
Date: March 18, 2009 at 12:38 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/poll-have-you-lost-respect-for-penn.11633/

I used to love BJ Penn. He was one of my favorite fighters just because of his raw natural talent. I definitely lost my respect for him since the whole GSP thing, now not wanting to defend the LW title, and on the main page there's an article where his mommy yells at the NSAC to punish big bad Georges. Man the F*ck up already and take some responsibility instead of trying to blame everything on someone else.

 

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Originally posted by: xXzygoteXx
Date: March 18, 2009 at 12:56 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/poll-have-you-lost-respect-for-penn.11633/

I voted No...
If I felt I got cheated, I'd be like WTF...but not to his extreme...

 

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Originally posted by: BadassCoffee
Date: March 18, 2009 at 01:11 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/poll-have-you-lost-respect-for-penn.11633/

I put no, he really is taking it far, but I don't think he is just trying to screw GSP. I think he really believes he could beat GSP and the vaseline had something to do with him losing.

 

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Originally posted by: JuSt1nSaNe
Date: March 18, 2009 at 02:45 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/poll-have-you-lost-respect-for-penn.11633/

NYR30AILD said:
I used to love BJ Penn. He was one of my favorite fighters just because of his raw natural talent. I definitely lost my respect for him since the whole GSP thing, now not wanting to defend the LW title, and on the main page there's an article where his mommy yells at the NSAC to punish big bad Georges. Man the F*ck up already and take some responsibility instead of trying to blame everything on someone else.
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yea man i totally agree, i always liked him but i started to care less and less, then that article made me see weakness in his character and it does make him seem spolied. but the part that did it is when he describes the second round, "he knows i can't hold him" and blah blah wutever else he said sounded like him just breaking metally in the fight at that moment. the excuse even though there was somthing shady going on, should have just been used to pick himself back up but now he is going to far and i think he really is just fooling himself. he should focus on kenny. i really wanna see what he looks like in his next fight, but im starting to think he might get stripped, show up like paulo filho, out of shape, or very mad and determined...
which Bjdou think is gonna show?

 

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Originally posted by: CPT
Date: March 18, 2009 at 05:37 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/poll-have-you-lost-respect-for-penn.11633/

I used to like BJ a lot, but a bunch of little things adding up have removed him from my list of favourite fighters, and put him on the list of guys I just like to watch fight. He's still a talented guy, and probably the best LW in the world/of all time, but I just can't ignore the douchebaggery any longer.
The thing that bugs me the most is his inactivity/laziness. I get that he had the fight with GSP. I get that he just had a kid. But it will have been well over a year since his last title defense at LW by the time he actually puts the belt on the line. The earliest would be August, and with Couture vs. Nog and Forrest vs. Silva on that card, I kind of doubt they will put BJ vs. Florian on there as well. So it's looking more like UFC 102. To go from May 2008 to September 2009 without defending your title is inexcusable, provided you are healthy. Especially from a guy who is talking about training hard to go down as one of the best ever. I realize the fight with GSP was a chance to do that, but does he really need 8 more months off before defending at LW?
Oh, and he's a professional fighter who told his mommy on GSP. I wonder if she called GSP's parents.

 

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Originally posted by: Firecrap
Date: March 18, 2009 at 07:41 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/poll-have-you-lost-respect-for-penn.11633/

"To the death George, to the death, i am serious" LOL I wonder why he is soo concerned about his physical well being now after being so prepared to go to the death! BJ needs to stay out of the spot light and show up and fight. I liked BJ alot before i became a hardcore fan.

 

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Originally posted by: hector234
Date: March 18, 2009 at 09:06 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/poll-have-you-lost-respect-for-penn.11633/

No, not a Penn fan at all, but I have not lost respect for him, given all that he's accomplished in the sport. I am tired of this whole saga, but I still have respect for him.

 

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Originally posted by: Sedulous
Date: March 18, 2009 at 09:55 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/poll-have-you-lost-respect-for-penn.11633/

Hell ya I lost all respect for BJ Penn. I have no respect for anyone who blatantly wastes their potential. Penn has an obvious gift for fighting and he has the means to hone his potential and become one of the best ever....but instead he chooses to do everything half-assed....just skate by on natural talent. So here comes GSP who is as gifted as he is but works 100 times harder and total kicks Penn's pudgy *** and what does Penn do? Does he congratulate GSP? Does he take this loss as motivation to train harder and be better? NO!! He tries to not only destroy GSP's career but he tries to destroy the entire Greg Jackson CAMP!! I mean he tries to f--- with the careers of everybody who trains at Greg Jackson's camp. Marquardt, Evans, Jardine, Carwin....if Greg Jackson and Nurse were suspended and fined a quarter mill...this would have a serious affect on their training and careers. I can't respect anyone like that. Obviously his attempt was totally weak but the fact that he tried is unbelievable.
It would have been one thing to respectfully bring the grease thing to the attention of the NASC just so they can make sure that there was nothing illegal going on but everything about the way he handles himself is disrespectful. I mean the fact that he thought he could beat GSP with his half-assed training is insulting to GSP who worked really hard.
Obviously we know where he gets his attitude. His mom comes and talks to the commission about fighter safety???? HEY LADY!!! Your son tries to fight the best fighters in the world with very inadequate training, stop blaming his failures on EVERYBODY ELSE!!
I really hope he loses every fight he is in until he can learn a lesson about respect, and hard work. I'm sure he'll probably continue to win fights at LW but I'll be rooting against him until the day he retires.

 

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Originally posted by: bjj_rage
Date: March 18, 2009 at 12:25 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/poll-have-you-lost-respect-for-penn.11633/

I have no respect for a guy that:
Licks someone's blood.
Has no comitment to training.
Looves the trash talk.
Call his opponent a "QUITER"
Get's his *** handle AND QUITS IN FRONT OF 1.000.000 ppl live, and it wasnt like he was about to die. (Saku did not ever freaking quit, and the guy has gotten some huuuuuuge beat downs.)
And if that wanst enough. GETS HIS MOM INVOLVE...
LOL... his mom, what else could you expect from baby j...

 

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Originally posted by: WuJitsuClan
Date: March 18, 2009 at 12:43 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/poll-have-you-lost-respect-for-penn.11633/

BJ was once in my top 5 favorite fighters his skill was just unreal to me, how soon he got his BJJ blackbelt showed his raw talent. But the more and more i see this type of behavior from him i seriously lose almost all of my respect for him. He is an outstanding fighter and no one can dissagree that in the Lightwieght division he is one of the, if not the very best. But just like in his loss to pulver he seeks revenge so much that i think he cannot take the idea of losing a fight. He tries to validate and avenge those losses which is fine,but not learning from them and then going up to fight a much bigger St.Pierre was not a wise move.When he ultimately couldn't avenge that defeat he used the vaseline as a scapegoat, almost like he was trying to convince himself. I wish he would have jumped right back into defending his belt and made a huge statement after the St.Pierre fight. Im still a fan of BJ right now but am just kind of sitting back and watching this whole mess happen.

 

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Originally posted by: ACOGSCOPE
Date: March 18, 2009 at 12:50 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/poll-have-you-lost-respect-for-penn.11633/

If GSP were in BJ Penn shoes, teh GSP fans would be busting guts to get this decision right.

 

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Originally posted by: MCM
Date: March 18, 2009 at 01:18 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/poll-have-you-lost-respect-for-penn.11633/

ACOGSCOPE said:
If GSP were in BJ Penn shoes, teh GSP fans would be busting guts to get this decision right.
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Damn right they would! After all, if BJ does then it's cheating if GSP has it done to him ( :? ) then it's not his fault and anyone who questions the great and all mighty GSP should be damned. Don't the GSP nuthangers realize that they are the ones continually keeping this in the media with all the blatant Penn hating?
People need to let this stuff go cause these fans that are so hard up with manlove for a greasy GSP (yeah that's right) are really making me dislike Georges St. Peirre. And as far as I can tell he has hardly commented about this issue at all, it's his rabid fan base doing all the saber rattling.

 

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Originally posted by: RearNakedSlam
Date: March 18, 2009 at 01:23 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/poll-have-you-lost-respect-for-penn.11633/

MCM said:
ACOGSCOPE said:
If GSP were in BJ Penn shoes, teh GSP fans would be busting guts to get this decision right.
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Damn right they would! After all, if BJ does then it's cheating if GSP has it done to him ( :? ) then it's not his fault and anyone who questions the great and all mighty GSP should be damned. Don't the GSP nuthangers realize that they are the ones continually keeping this in the media with all the blatant Penn hating?
People need to let this stuff go cause these fans that are so hard up with manlove for a greasy GSP (yeah that's right) are really making me dislike Georges St. Peirre. And as far as I can tell he has hardly commented about this issue at all, it's his rabid fan base doing all the saber rattling.
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I've actually started to dislike GSP because of his fans as well, it all started when I went to UFC 87 live and the GSP fans in my section were borderline retarded. I'm aware though that it's not his fault that he has some horrible fans, so I still have respect for the guy. Great fighter.

 

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Originally posted by: Sedulous
Date: March 18, 2009 at 01:34 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/poll-have-you-lost-respect-for-penn.11633/

MCM said:
ACOGSCOPE said:
If GSP were in BJ Penn shoes, teh GSP fans would be busting guts to get this decision right.
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Damn right they would! After all, if BJ does then it's cheating if GSP has it done to him ( :? ) then it's not his fault and anyone who questions the great and all mighty GSP should be damned. Don't the GSP nuthangers realize that they are the ones continually keeping this in the media with all the blatant Penn hating?
People need to let this stuff go cause these fans that are so hard up with manlove for a greasy GSP (yeah that's right) are really making me dislike Georges St. Peirre. And as far as I can tell he has hardly commented about this issue at all, it's his rabid fan base doing all the saber rattling.
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Get a f---ing clue. I know you're poor little heart is broken over how much of tool bag whiner your precious BJ Penn turned out to be but this has nothing to do with being a fan of GSP and everything to do with a lazy punk-*** fighter who lost fair and square and is trying to dirty up the name of a much classier, much more respectful, harder working fighter and his whole damn camp. I would argue for Penn if the rolls were reversed or any fighter was going through the same situation.
We are ridiculing Penn for something he's already done, now all you can do is say that GSP would do the same? The thing is.....GSP HASN'T! He hasn't gone after to Penn...he didn't even show up to the f---ing meeting. Oh and in case you didn't notice....he didn't cheat either. The NSAC cleared that up by their lack of action against him.
Oh and don't be so ignorant as to think that us posting in the forum is keeping this debacle in the media. BJ Penn is keeping this in the media by with his ceaseless, classless whining. Wake up! You'd do better to state why you are still a fan of Penn's instead of trying to damn us for choosing not to be one.

 

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Originally posted by: ACOGSCOPE
Date: March 18, 2009 at 01:41 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/poll-have-you-lost-respect-for-penn.11633/

Sedulous said:
MCM said:
ACOGSCOPE said:
If GSP were in BJ Penn shoes, teh GSP fans would be busting guts to get this decision right.
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Damn right they would! After all, if BJ does then it's cheating if GSP has it done to him ( :? ) then it's not his fault and anyone who questions the great and all mighty GSP should be damned. Don't the GSP nuthangers realize that they are the ones continually keeping this in the media with all the blatant Penn hating?
People need to let this stuff go cause these fans that are so hard up with manlove for a greasy GSP (yeah that's right) are really making me dislike Georges St. Peirre. And as far as I can tell he has hardly commented about this issue at all, it's his rabid fan base doing all the saber rattling.
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Get a f**king clue. I know you're poor little heart is broken over how much of tool bag whiner your precious BJ Penn turned out to be but this has nothing to do with being a fan of GSP and everything to do with a lazy punk-*** fighter who lost fair and square and is trying to dirty up the name of a much classier, much more respectful, harder working fighter and his whole damn camp. I would argue for Penn if the rolls were reversed or any fighter was going through the same situation.
We are ridiculing Penn for something he's already done, now all you can do is say that GSP would do the same? The thing is.....GSP HASN'T! He hasn't gone after to Penn...he didn't even show up to the f**king meeting. Oh and in case you didn't notice....he didn't cheat either. The NSAC cleared that up by their lack of action against him.
Oh and don't be so ignorant as to think that us posting in the forum is keeping this debacle in the media. BJ Penn is keeping this in the media by with his ceaseless, classless whining. Wake up! You'd do better to state why you are still a fan of Penn's instead of trying to damn us for choosing not to be one.
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Okay,
I think its a safe bet that if you GSP fans are making such a huge deal of Penn trying to defend his case, I couldnt even imagine how you guys would react if Penn was the one caught greasing. I think one of you guys would go to Hilo and try to assisinate Mr. Penn.
Im a fan of both fighters. Whats fair is fair.
Im a fan of BJ Penn because he is a great fighter. Im a fan of GSP because he is a great fighter. Im not a fan knowing the fight wasnt not 100% fair due to greasing. Maybe you should wake up and just be neutral. Mr. Penn has every right to complain.

 

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Originally posted by: Sedulous
Date: March 18, 2009 at 01:49 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/poll-have-you-lost-respect-for-penn.11633/

ACOGSCOPE said:
Okay,
I think its a safe bet that if you GSP fans are making such a huge deal of Penn trying to defend his case, I couldnt even imagine how you guys would react if Penn was the one caught greasing. I think one of you guys would go to Hilo and try to assisinate Mr. Penn.
Im a fan of both fighters. Whats fair is fair.
Im a fan of BJ Penn because he is a great fighter. Im a fan of GSP because he is a great fighter. Im not a fan knowing the fight wasnt not 100% fair due to greasing. Maybe you should wake up and just be neutral. Mr. Penn has every right to complain.
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I don't care THAT Penn is complaining, I care HOW he is complaining and that he is including things in his complaint that he has no authority to file. This shows how classless he is. He's taking this way past wanting to make sure nothing illegal happened and trying to peg them all as dirty cheaters that should be fined and suspended. It's freaking ludicrous. I have no problem with checking on the vaseline application but this is overkill.
But if you read the first part of my response, part of my disdain toward Penn is the squandering of his own talent. I have no respect for anyone who wastes their talent...why be great when you can be legendary? I loved Penn's come back at lightweight and how he seemed so rededicated, but he was so out of shape for the GSP fight that it wasn't even a fight. Grease had NOTHING to do with any of it. GSP is just better. Like his lawyer said, the only advantage that GSP had was size, strength, and superior skill. But Penn can't own up to it, nothing but excuses with that guy.

 

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Originally posted by: Johnny419
Date: March 18, 2009 at 01:55 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/poll-have-you-lost-respect-for-penn.11633/

It's not hard to see that BJ is out of line here, like it really isn't.