Originally posted by: LitesOutPHX Date: August 10, 2010 at 04:57 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/should-the-gracies-be-embarrassed.29010/
CopperHeart said:
haha nice...Pretty much only GSP uses wrestling and I dunno how much of a wrestling base he started out with. I think he developed his wrestling to a high level over years. But the fact is guys like Silva, Fedor, Penn, Shogun, Aldo all dont have a wrestling base
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Machida.[/quote]
Im confused. Are you saying I forgot about Machida or that Machida has wrestling base? Cuz he def has a Karate base. If you ment I forgot about him I kinda did but I also didnt mention some other guys that could be on the P4P list
here's the problem. The gracie name has become legendary in MMA, and rightfully so. But with that name comes an unjust amount of pressure on the figthers that carry it. Royce and Renzo were both past there prime when they fought Hughes and the next generation of gracie fighters are already considered top prospects simply because of their last name.
It would be like automatically assuming that any basketball player that is related to Michael Jordan is going to be an NBA all-star. "this guys uncle is Royce Gracie, hes destined for greatness" it to much pressure to put on someone
YPG said:
CopperHeart said:
Mikaelbg said:
IMO, it just proved that wrestling > BJJ.
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hmmm.. funny pic, why in the hell was AS torquing Chale's arm in the wrong way???? if he wanted to get the arm bar, he should've torqued the arm to the other side...
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Holding onto the arm is what's keeping Chael in the triangle, notice he put his right foot across Andersons body, and attempted to lean back to break the hold, but Anderson had a good hold of his arm.[/quote]
nop, chael was trying to break the triangle Roger style (leaning back as you said) but in order to do that, he should've place his foot over Andersons left arm, IF chael had his feet where it should've been, that arm trapped wouldnt've stopped him from breaking the triangle... thing is, the triangle was too deep, and got even deeper when he leaned sideways and broke his posture...
Originally posted by: CopperHeart Date: August 10, 2010 at 05:15 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/should-the-gracies-be-embarrassed.29010/
LitesOut13 said:
Im confused. Are you saying I forgot about Machida or that Machida has wrestling base? Cuz he def has a Karate base. If you ment I forgot about him I kinda did but I also didnt mention some other guys that could be on the P4P list
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Machida has an extremely solid (sumo) wrestling base.
He took down guys like Tito, Rashad and even Shogun, and he stifles takedown attempts in turn.
CopperHeart said:
LitesOut13 said:
Im confused. Are you saying I forgot about Machida or that Machida has wrestling base? Cuz he def has a Karate base. If you ment I forgot about him I kinda did but I also didnt mention some other guys that could be on the P4P list
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Machida has an extremely solid (sumo) wrestling base.
He took down guys like Tito, Rashad and even Shogun, and he stifles takedown attempts in turn.
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I dont think sumo is what the kind of wreslting we are talking about coop...
Originally posted by: CopperHeart Date: August 10, 2010 at 05:19 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/should-the-gracies-be-embarrassed.29010/
bjj_rage said:
CopperHeart said:
LitesOut13 said:
Im confused. Are you saying I forgot about Machida or that Machida has wrestling base? Cuz he def has a Karate base. If you ment I forgot about him I kinda did but I also didnt mention some other guys that could be on the P4P list
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Machida has an extremely solid (sumo) wrestling base.
He took down guys like Tito, Rashad and even Shogun, and he stifles takedown attempts in turn.
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I dont think sumo is what the kind of wreslting we are talking about coop...
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So only greco-roman, freestyle and folkstyle?
Originally posted by: metalmike00 Date: August 10, 2010 at 05:20 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/should-the-gracies-be-embarrassed.29010/
BlindBanshee said:
Mikaelbg said:
IMO, it just proved that wrestling > BJJ.
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So what was Maia vs Sonnen? Or Silva vs Sonnen for that matter? Sobral vs Mike van Arsdale? I'm sure there are more.
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babalu is a brazilian national wrestling champion
CopperHeart said:
CopperHeart said:
LitesOut13 said:
Im confused. Are you saying I forgot about Machida or that Machida has wrestling base? Cuz he def has a Karate base. If you ment I forgot about him I kinda did but I also didnt mention some other guys that could be on the P4P list
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Machida has an extremely solid (sumo) wrestling base.
He took down guys like Tito, Rashad and even Shogun, and he stifles takedown attempts in turn.
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I dont think sumo is what the kind of wreslting we are talking about coop...
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So only greco-roman, freestyle and folkstyle?
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well, bjj is some kind of wrestling too, some kind of submission wrestling...
Originally posted by: LitesOutPHX Date: August 10, 2010 at 05:25 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/should-the-gracies-be-embarrassed.29010/
CopperHeart said:
LitesOut13 said:
Im confused. Are you saying I forgot about Machida or that Machida has wrestling base? Cuz he def has a Karate base. If you ment I forgot about him I kinda did but I also didnt mention some other guys that could be on the P4P list
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Machida has an extremely solid (sumo) wrestling base.
He took down guys like Tito, Rashad and even Shogun, and he stifles takedown attempts in turn.
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Machida has trained in a few different things. Im sure training with the Nog brothers and Silva he has some good BJJ as well. But his base is mainly Karate I think
Originally posted by: CopperHeart Date: August 10, 2010 at 05:28 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/should-the-gracies-be-embarrassed.29010/
LitesOut13 said:
CopperHeart said:
LitesOut13 said:
Im confused. Are you saying I forgot about Machida or that Machida has wrestling base? Cuz he def has a Karate base. If you ment I forgot about him I kinda did but I also didnt mention some other guys that could be on the P4P list
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Machida has an extremely solid (sumo) wrestling base.
He took down guys like Tito, Rashad and even Shogun, and he stifles takedown attempts in turn.
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Machida has trained in a few different things. Im sure training with the Nog brothers and Silva he has some good BJJ as well. But his base is mainly Karate I think
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He did karate since he could walk but he was a sumo vice-champ before he started MMA, so he did come in with a solid base.
Originally posted by: LitesOutPHX Date: August 10, 2010 at 07:21 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/should-the-gracies-be-embarrassed.29010/
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Machida has trained in a few different things. Im sure training with the Nog brothers and Silva he has some good BJJ as well. But his base is mainly Karate I think[/quote]
He did karate since he could walk but he was a sumo vice-champ before he started MMA, so he did come in with a solid base.[/quote]
Like I said, he has done many different things throughout his career and prior but he still has Karate as a major base. Not a pure wrestler
mabrown45 said:
i think this thread is embarrassing....
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Controversy creates interesting conversation. I've found this thread to be quite interesting and I've learned things from it I otherwise probably wouldn't have, had I not posted it.
Think of it as a form of... benevolent trolling
