St. Pierre VS Koscheck At UFC 123
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YPG said:
St Pierre is afraid to lose and afraid to take risks, therefore he'll win.
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Afraid to lose? Yes. I think every fighter has some fear of losing. Afraid to take risks? Obviously you take a risk just stepping into the Octagon. There's a risk every time he comes within striking range of his opponent. I do think there are only certain risks he is willing to take and that has lead to some decision wins as of late. I think Kos is an opponent he his likely to get another decision against. Unless he's improved his BJJ enough.
darcebandit said:
I wanna see Kos defend the takedown for alot of this fight and try take GSP on the feet. He will lose on the feet but could knock him out for sure.
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I hope to see this fight stay on the feet as well. GSP is far more superior of a striker than Koscheck. I see Koscheck getting TKO'd after eating a nasty head kick; similar to the Hughes fight. Hopefully this fight gives GSP more confidence in his stand up for future fights as well.
I'm usually for the underdog, but in this case, not so much.
I always found it funny that when a fighter loses, they always want to avenge a loss, or speak out when somebody gets a shot instead of them, much like Koscheck did with both Paulo Thiago and Dan Hardy...
what i find funny, is you never here Josh Koscheck trying to get back into the cage to "avenge" his loss with Thiago Alves.
I actually hope GSP wrecks him. Which bites, because up until his last couple fights i liked Koscheck, always stepping up at a moments notice. but i got no desire to root for fighters who take dives in fights.
GoodCat said:
Sedulous said:
GoodCat said:
GSP will win another dominating (boring) decision. But everyone will defend him even after he admits to fighting safe.
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Weird. I don't remember GSP ever being apart of a boring decision.
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I guess you don't remember the Hardy fight, the Alves fight, the Fitch fight. The first Koscheck fight. The 2nd Penn fight. It would be different if he couldn't finish the guys he is beating, but he is so much better than any other WW fighter out there, that he can afford to try and take some more risks to finish fights, but he won't. The Hardy fight was the first time in a long time that I've seen him actually try and get the finish.
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ok seriously, i was joking with my last post, but you were bored by the fitch fight? seriously? wtf does it take to entertain you? i could see being bored by the hardy fight, i could see being bored by the alves fight (i wasn't, but i could see it), but the fitch fight? that was a GREAT fight. i was on the edge of my seat the entire time. same with the penn fight (which i would point out DID come with a finish). also he quite clearly looked to finish both alves and fitch. he went for a few chokes vs alves, and a few armbars, when he he dropped alves, he followed him to the ground with gnp. fitch, well he knocked fitch down 3 times, and when you throw a flurry like this, i'd say you were trying to finish.
what gives? just a hater?
+1 this was what I posted about the Fitch fight earlier
The Fitch fight, if you remember, was voted as one of the 5 best fights of 2008. GSP put on a striking clinic and came very close to finishing Fitch on few occasions. He also became the first person to pass Fitch's guard. That fight was an incredible testament to both GSP's abillity and Fitch's durability. You have to be dead not to be entertained by that fight.
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Sedulous said:
+1 this was what I posted about the Fitch fight earlier
The Fitch fight, if you remember, was voted as one of the 5 best fights of 2008. GSP put on a striking clinic and came very close to finishing Fitch on few occasions. He also became the first person to pass Fitch's guard. That fight was an incredible testament to both GSP's abillity and Fitch's durability. You have to be dead not to be entertained by that fight.
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it's simple
GSP does things that no one else seems to even try, let alone execute.
Sedulous I got to ask, what did you think about GSP's corner yelling for him to stay in the guard with Hardy? That is where I have to admit I was a little ticked off. Stay in the guard? Of a guy you can take down at will, come on, pass and try to finish. If you get into a bad position you stand up and start over, it's not like Hardy was going to sweep him and rain down blows from the top position. He couldn't hold GSP down for any significant time, it just wouldn't happen. GSP is my favorite fighter and he only listened to his corner but I found that sad at best. I could understand if he was in a fight for his life but that really wasn't the case with Hardy. That gameplan from his corner chapped me a bit. Thoughts? I know he did try to finish, I am asking specifically about his corner telling him to stay in guard. It was late in the fight if memory serves.
Jman said:
Sedulous I got to ask, what did you think about GSP's corner yelling for him to stay in the guard with Hardy? That is where I have to admit I was a little ticked off. Stay in the guard? Of a guy you can take down at will, come on, pass and try to finish. If you get into a bad position you stand up and start over, it's not like Hardy was going to sweep him and rain down blows from the top position. He couldn't hold GSP down for any significant time, it just wouldn't happen. GSP is my favorite fighter and he only listened to his corner but I found that sad at best. I could understand if he was in a fight for his life but that really wasn't the case with Hardy. That gameplan from his corner chapped me a bit. Thoughts? I know he did try to finish, I am asking specifically about his corner telling him to stay in guard. It was late in the fight if memory serves.
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yep what you are saying is true. get into side control of possibly FM and gnp him out
Jman said:
Sedulous I got to ask, what did you think about GSP's corner yelling for him to stay in the guard with Hardy? That is where I have to admit I was a little ticked off. Stay in the guard? Of a guy you can take down at will, come on, pass and try to finish. If you get into a bad position you stand up and start over, it's not like Hardy was going to sweep him and rain down blows from the top position. He couldn't hold GSP down for any significant time, it just wouldn't happen. GSP is my favorite fighter and
he only listened to his corner
but I found that sad at best. I could understand if he was in a fight for his life but that really wasn't the case with Hardy. That gameplan from his corner chapped me a bit. Thoughts? I know he did try to finish, I am asking specifically about his corner telling him to stay in guard. It was late in the fight if memory serves.
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If my memory serves me right, GSP's corner was yelling for him to stay in Hardy's guard, but GSP kept passing the guard anyway. I have no problem with his corner telling him to stay in the guard. At this point, MMA is a sport and not a fight; competitors compete according to established rules (which include judging) and there is nothing wrong with using those rules to your advantage.
Puxin said:
Jman said:
Sedulous I got to ask, what did you think about GSP's corner yelling for him to stay in the guard with Hardy? That is where I have to admit I was a little ticked off. Stay in the guard? Of a guy you can take down at will, come on, pass and try to finish. If you get into a bad position you stand up and start over, it's not like Hardy was going to sweep him and rain down blows from the top position. He couldn't hold GSP down for any significant time, it just wouldn't happen. GSP is my favorite fighter and
he only listened to his corner
but I found that sad at best. I could understand if he was in a fight for his life but that really wasn't the case with Hardy. That gameplan from his corner chapped me a bit. Thoughts? I know he did try to finish, I am asking specifically about his corner telling him to stay in guard. It was late in the fight if memory serves.
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If my memory serves me right, GSP's corner was yelling for him to stay in Hardy's guard, but GSP kept passing the guard anyway. I have no problem with his corner telling him to stay in the guard. At this point, MMA is a sport and not a fight; competitors compete according to established rules (which include judging) and there is nothing wrong with using those rules to your advantage.
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what u talking about?
fredUFC1shotKO said:
Puxin said:
Jman said:
Sedulous I got to ask, what did you think about GSP's corner yelling for him to stay in the guard with Hardy? That is where I have to admit I was a little ticked off. Stay in the guard? Of a guy you can take down at will, come on, pass and try to finish. If you get into a bad position you stand up and start over, it's not like Hardy was going to sweep him and rain down blows from the top position. He couldn't hold GSP down for any significant time, it just wouldn't happen. GSP is my favorite fighter and
he only listened to his corner
but I found that sad at best. I could understand if he was in a fight for his life but that really wasn't the case with Hardy. That gameplan from his corner chapped me a bit. Thoughts? I know he did try to finish, I am asking specifically about his corner telling him to stay in guard. It was late in the fight if memory serves.
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If my memory serves me right, GSP's corner was yelling for him to stay in Hardy's guard, but GSP kept passing the guard anyway. I have no problem with his corner telling him to stay in the guard. At this point, MMA is a sport and not a fight; competitors compete according to established rules (which include judging) and there is nothing wrong with using those rules to your advantage.
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what u talking about?
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By the time round 4 started, GSP was clearly ahead on the scorecards. According to the rules, if that fight hadn't ended by then end of round 5, it goes to the scorecards. Hence, GSP had no need to finish Hardy. If he took Hardy down and stayed in his guard for the remaining 2 rounds, GSP would win. So, I don't have a problem with the strategy. Plus, we don't know what his corner wanted him to do from guard, since GSP kept passing guard anyway.
I would have to go back and rewatch but I am pretty sure when they yelled it he stayed in the guard and stopped passing. I could be wrong but I don't think I am. I understand he can stay in guard for two rounds and win the fight....so? GSP is my favorite fighter and I simply don't like that stragedy. I can understand playing it safe to a certain degree, however, by the 4th round Hardy was toast. I really don't think there was a need to play it that safe. Not even passing guard? Like GSP is really going out on a limb trying to get to side control against Hardy? Like I said, go for a sub, if it doesn't work and you get in bad position, scramble to your feet. It's not like Hardy was going to stop him from getting back to his feet if he misses an arm bar or something. I was flat out ticked off when I heard is corner yelling stay in the guard.
Jman said:
I would have to go back and rewatch but I am pretty sure when they yelled it he stayed in the guard and stopped passing. I could be wrong but I don't think I am. I understand he can stay in guard for two rounds and win the fight....so? GSP is my favorite fighter and I simply don't like that stragedy. I can understand playing it safe to a certain degree, however, by the 4th round Hardy was toast. I really don't think there was a need to play it that safe. Not even passing guard? Like GSP is really going out on a limb trying to get to side control against Hardy? Like I said, go for a sub, if it doesn't work and you get in bad position, scramble to your feet. It's not like Hardy was going to stop him from getting back to his feet if he misses an arm bar or something. I was flat out ticked off when I heard is corner yelling stay in the guard.
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at the end of the day it doesn't really matter though does it... ?
Jman said:
Sedulous I got to ask, what did you think about GSP's corner yelling for him to stay in the guard with Hardy? That is where I have to admit I was a little ticked off. Stay in the guard? Of a guy you can take down at will, come on, pass and try to finish. If you get into a bad position you stand up and start over, it's not like Hardy was going to sweep him and rain down blows from the top position. He couldn't hold GSP down for any significant time, it just wouldn't happen. GSP is my favorite fighter and he only listened to his corner but I found that sad at best. I could understand if he was in a fight for his life but that really wasn't the case with Hardy. That gameplan from his corner chapped me a bit. Thoughts? I know he did try to finish, I am asking specifically about his corner telling him to stay in guard. It was late in the fight if memory serves.
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I'd have to go back and watch, which I will when I get a chance, but I'm pretty sure they wanted him to stay in guard and land some GnP to soften him up. They wanted him to do some physical damage to Hardy. My guess would be to exhaust Hardy and take more of his confidence away. GSP did not do this, however, and continued working for the submission. I think it would have been a much better idea to do what his corner said. I think he could have set up a sub better with strikes and there is a chance that he could have gotten a TKO as well. If he had decided to do this the worst that would have happened would be Hardy standing up. Which would have resulted in an another easy TD anyway. If the idea had been for GSP to sit in the guard and wait out the fight then I think it would be a lame gameplan but I don't think that was the idea at all.