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motives said:
Of course I read it.
But maybe I didn't note when it was due Tito.
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Los Lobos said:
I would've...I would've talked about the war or the mind, battling oneself pushing tour mind body and soul through the toughness of boot camp, knowing the endgame is death in Vietnam while facing daily trials of a sadistic drill sergeant. That is war...
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And I'd have given that a 10
 
Los Lobos said:
That is war...
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No, that was a fictional depiction of a potential experience in a specific war. I experienced no sadistic drill sergeants nor did I ever know of any. Drill sergeants, for the most part, are soldiers who are genuinely dedicated to making the best soldiers they can. Are some of them assholes on a power trip? Sure, people are people anywhere you go. But that stereotype you saw in that movie is just that: a stereotype.

I didn't go through basic training envisioning certain death in a foreign land and I don't think any of my peers did either. You are taking stereotypes from the Vietnam era and applying them to all war experiences.

Los Lobos said:
Because you lack imagination
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I don't need imagination. I've been to war three times in two countries in front line combat roles.


Los Lobos said:
thats why you will lose.
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Didn't you lose already?
 
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Eranys said:
No, that was a fictional depiction of a potential experience in a specific war. I experienced no sadistic drill sergeants nor did I ever know of any. Drill sergeants, for the most part, are soldiers who are genuinely dedicated to making the best soldiers they can. Are some of them assholes on a power trip? Sure, people are people anywhere you go. But that stereotype you saw in that movie is just that: a stereotype.

I didn't go through basic training envisioning a certain death in a foreign land and I don't think any of my peers did either. You are taking stereotypes from the Vietnam era and applying them to all war experiences.


I don't need imagination. I've been to war three times in two countries in front line combat roles.



Didn't you lose already?
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Your write up for this was so passionate and inspiring
 
Webble said:
Your write up for this was so passionate and inspiring
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I love The Thin Red Line; it's one of my top favorites of all time. I also genuinely believe it is the greatest war movie ever made for multiple reasons. The deep philosophical musings of the voice over in parts of the movie are quite profound and really delve into the interconnected nature of man and war. If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend it. I've always said that it isn't just a "war movie", but a masterpiece of film that happens to take place during a war.
 
Eranys said:
I love The Thin Red Line; it's one of my top favorites of all time. I also genuinely believe it is the greatest war movie ever made for multiple reasons. The deep philosophical musings of the voice over in parts of the movie are quite profound and really delve into the interconnected nature of man and war. If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend it. I've always said that it isn't just a "war movie", but a masterpiece of film that happens to take place during a war.
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I haven't I will add it to the list
 
Eranys said:
No, that was a fictional depiction of a potential experience in a specific war. I experienced no sadistic drill sergeants nor did I ever know of any. Drill sergeants, for the most part, are soldiers who are genuinely dedicated to making the best soldiers they can. Are some of them assholes on a power trip? Sure, people are people anywhere you go. But that stereotype you saw in that movie is just that: a stereotype.

I didn't go through basic training envisioning certain death in a foreign land and I don't think any of my peers did either. You are taking stereotypes from the Vietnam era and applying them to all war experiences.


I don't need imagination. I've been to war three times in two countries in front line combat roles.



Didn't you lose already?
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Come on.... you're telling me that you didn't beat your autistic bunk mate with socks full of soap at least once?? I call bullshit.
 
Eranys said:
But that stereotype you saw in that movie is just that: a stereotype.
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Ehhhhhh. Not as inaccurate for the Marines as you think. It was actually a pretty accurate depiction of a lot of Marine DIs during that era from all I've read.

And really, replace R. Lee Ermy with a less articulate and understandable Haitian man (who I suspect couldn't read), a very uncreative, large Mexican with a lisp, and another smaller Mexican, and the yelling and berating was pretty spot on to my experience. Couldnt beat on you when I was in, but they could get real creative with the hazing.
 
bconcrete said:
Ehhhhhh. Not as inaccurate for the Marines as you think. It was actually a pretty accurate depiction of a lot of Marine DIs during that era from all I've read.

And really, replace R. Lee Ermy with a less articulate and understandable Haitian man (who I suspect couldn't read), a very uncreative, large Mexican with a lisp, and another smaller Mexican, and the yelling and berating was pretty spot on to my experience. Couldnt beat on you when I was in, but they could get real creative with the hazing.
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bconcrete said:
Ehhhhhh. Not as inaccurate for the Marines as you think. It was actually a pretty accurate depiction of a lot of Marine DIs during that era from all I've read.

And really, replace R. Lee Ermy with a less articulate and understandable Haitian man (who I suspect couldn't read), a very uncreative, large Mexican with a lisp, and another smaller Mexican, and the yelling and berating was pretty spot on to my experience. Couldnt beat on you when I was in, but they could get real creative with the hazing.
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I'm not saying that wasn't a close to real experience for boots in the Vietnam era. My beef with him saying "that is war" is that the history of human warfare spans many thousands of years, and I would not characterize the experiences of recruits under the tutelage of hardboiled Korean war veterans as all war.

I'm also not saying that the yelling and berating aspect isn't real to this day; it is. But it isn't "sadistic" there's a method to the madness and a drive towards very real results. Perhaps your experience differs than mine, but every single soldier I saw get on the wrong side of drill sergeants, including myself, absolutely deserved what they got. Were some punishments extreme? Oh yeah, definitely. But, again, there is a reason for it. They are trying to create a result shocking enough to make everyone else stay in line. I personally never once witnessed "sadistic" behavior, but I'm not saying it hasn't occurred. My beef again becomes with associating this particular training experience with "that is war". It's not, it's individual experiences.

As for basic training in the Army when I was there, the shock tactics ease up later in the initial training period, and it becomes a very different experience once you get to advanced infantry training, and very, very different again once you get to a specialized school like airborne school.
 
Eranys said:
I'm not saying that wasn't a close to real experience for boots in the Vietnam era. My beef with him saying "that is war" is that the history of human warfare spans many thousands of years, and I would not characterize the experiences of recruits under the tutelage of hardboiled Korean war veterans as all war.

I'm also not saying that the yelling and berating aspect isn't real to this day; it is. But it isn't "sadistic" there's a method to the madness and a drive towards very real results. Perhaps your experience differs than mine, but every single soldier I saw get on the wrong side of drill sergeants, including myself, absolutely deserved what they got. Were some punishments extreme? Oh yeah, definitely. But, again, there is a reason for it. They are trying to create a result shocking enough to make everyone else stay in line. I personally never once witnessed "sadistic" behavior, but I'm not saying it hasn't occurred. My beef again becomes with associating this particular training experience with "that is war". It's not, it's individual experiences.

As for basic training in the Army when I was there, the shock tactics ease up later in the initial training period, and it becomes a very different experience once you get to advanced infantry training, and very, very different again once you get to a specialized school like airborne school.
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I think our core disconnect is around the term "sadistic."

Sadistic isn't inherently bad or pointless or over the line. It just means that someone derives pleasure, satisfaction, or entertainment from the pain, suffering or humiliation of others.

I would argue that the majority of DIs do have a sadistic streak, and should, it allows them to be effective and creative and that allows the correction to land much more effectively. The crosses-the-line moment comes when they mete out punishment solely to be sadistic. That they can't be doing. But I do think that when it's warranted, they do enjoy giving out the punishment and doing so in a creative way.

Hell, as an NCO, I can't say I didn't have the same tbh. For example, I never sent someone to sweep the sunlight off the sidewalk just to be mean. But when they fucked up and earned it, I definitely enjoyed giggling watching them through the window.
 
bconcrete said:
Hell, as an NCO, I can't say I didn't have the same tbh. For example, I never sent someone to sweep the sunlight off the sidewalk just to be mean. But when they fucked up and earned it, I definitely enjoyed giggling watching them through the window.
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Never been in the military, but that is how my pop always told me it was. When we watched FMJ together, he said his Navy experience (between Korea and Vietnam) was kind of like that in that they all got yelled at and insulted when doing dumb shit, but the movie was definitely made to be a bit outlandish as only movies can be. He did say that he had a guy sort of like Pyle that took a LOT more abuse than everyone else, but it didn't drive him mad. He just cried a lot at night until he got in shape.
 
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