*UFC 137: Penn vs. Diaz: Official Discussion Thread*

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Fight Magnet
Date: October 05, 2011 at 06:58 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-137-penn-vs-diaz-official-discussion-thread.42350/

Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
SilvaP4PKing said:
Now I'm totally convinced that significant strike's meaning is a matter of opinion, sadly you still think FightMetric's is right
and everyone who disagrees, wrong.
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Sorry, had no intention of offending you, but from now on let's just make up our own definitions of things and then let others try to guess what we're saying.
The
color
is to point to what I"m addressing in your post.
SilvaP4PKing said:
Now I'm totally convinced that
significant strike's meaning is a matter of opinion
, sadly you still think FightMetric's is right and everyone who disagrees, wrong.
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What I think is, I don't think Fightmetric has the same definition as Meriam Webster's. So yes, when talking about Fightmetric's stats, yes I think their definition is the correct one.
My Bad when you paired the word "significant" with "
0 significant strikes
", and I failed to guess you were only talking about the Webster's definition, and not how the term is commonly used for tallying fight stats by Fightmetric.
Funny how I didn't sink to calling you stupid, but if it's big words like that, that you have to resort to, to get your point across I have no problem moving on.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: SilvaP4PKing
Date: October 05, 2011 at 08:33 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-137-penn-vs-diaz-official-discussion-thread.42350/

Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
FIGHTMAGNET said:
Sorry, had no intention of offending you, but from now on let's just make up our own definitions of things and then let others try to guess what we're saying.
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Thing is, I'm not making my own definition, it is everywhere in every country's dictionary. If anything, fightmetric is making their definition and you think they nailed it.
FIGHTMAGNET said:
The
color
is to point to what I"m addressing in your post.
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Right... and the size 500 is because you think i can't read ?
, no problem...
FIGHTMAGNET said:
What I think is, I don't think Fightmetric has the same definition as Meriam Webster's. So yes, when talking about Fightmetric's stats, yes I think their definition is the correct one.
My Bad when you paired the word "significant" with "
0 significant strikes
", and I failed to guess you were only talking about the Webster's definition, and not how the term is commonly used for tallying fight stats by Fightmetric.
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I guess it happens... you were the one who brought FightMetric to "prove me wrong", i really don't care a lot about those stats, i trust my eyes more...
FIGHTMAGNET said:
Funny how I didn't sink to calling you stupid, but if it's big words like that, that you have to resort to, to get your point across I have no problem moving on.
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Heh, sorry if it hurts your feelings, but i do think it is stupid to call "my definition wrong" just because FightMetric has another definition...... while the entire world knows the word's definition the same way i do. And i think i tried to prove my point in many ways, not by bad words.
Anyway, we went too far already... peace bro

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Fight Magnet
Date: October 05, 2011 at 10:22 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-137-penn-vs-diaz-official-discussion-thread.42350/

Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
Hey, I know exactly what you're saying about the universally accepted def. of significant, I get it. I think that when you bring up the term "significant strike" on an mma forum, you're opening the door to confusion, if you're not also open to accepting, that other users view the term when used together, as referencing a method of tallying stats.
We're both in agreement, that we spent a significant amount of time clarifying our positions.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Puxin
Date: October 05, 2011 at 11:18 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-137-penn-vs-diaz-official-discussion-thread.42350/

Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
FIGHTMAGNET said:
I'll concede, that an eye poke was what blinded gsp, possibly. Although blunt trauma is also the cause of Hyphema, the condition GSP suffered from that night. which is just as likely a cause.I will however, not concede to the claim that Jake Shields landed 0 Significant strikes in that fight.
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How many significant strikes did Shields land before GSP told his corner he could not see?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Fight Magnet
Date: October 05, 2011 at 11:35 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-137-penn-vs-diaz-official-discussion-thread.42350/

Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
Puxin said:
FIGHTMAGNET said:
I'll concede, that an eye poke was what blinded gsp, possibly. Although blunt trauma is also the cause of Hyphema, the condition GSP suffered from that night. which is just as likely a cause.I will however, not concede to the claim that Jake Shields landed 0 Significant strikes in that fight.
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How many significant strikes did Shields land before GSP told his corner he could not see?
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Not this s--- again, what's your definition of "significant strike"?
j/k
Off hand I have no idea, nor am i going to invest the energy to find out, enlighten me. Here's the link:
http://blog.fightmetric.com/2011/05/st-pierre-vs-shields-official-ufc.html

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Puxin
Date: October 06, 2011 at 12:37 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-137-penn-vs-diaz-official-discussion-thread.42350/

Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
FIGHTMAGNET said:
Puxin said:
How many significant strikes did Shields land before GSP told his corner he could not see?
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Not this s**t again, what's your definition of "significant strike"?
j/k
Off hand I have no idea, nor am i going to invest the energy to find out, what are you getting at.
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Shields outstruck GSP after GSP was blind in one eye. That doesn't tell us anything about how likely it is that Condit will be able to land strikes. Yes, Shields landed some strikes (about 15 per round) even before GSP was blind. Those were rounds where GSP attempted 0 TDs and the fight spent 0:00 on the ground (and Shields was probably not worried about any TDs).
If
those things apply to the Condit fight, then you proved that it's unlikely Condit will land 0 strikes. Although, I suspect it was as exaggeration to begin with.
I don't want to get into the definition of significant strike, but it does seem odd that Fight Metric says over 95% of the strikes in that fight were "significant".

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Fight Magnet
Date: October 06, 2011 at 11:31 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-137-penn-vs-diaz-official-discussion-thread.42350/

Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Spud
Date: October 06, 2011 at 08:34 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-137-penn-vs-diaz-official-discussion-thread.42350/

Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
FIGHTMAGNET said:
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I'd be more interested to see his TDD record, as this is whats going to be tested in the fight.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Fight Magnet
Date: October 07, 2011 at 11:50 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-137-penn-vs-diaz-official-discussion-thread.42350/

Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
Spud said:
I'd be more interested to see his TDD record, as this is whats going to be tested in the fight.
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[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Spud
Date: October 07, 2011 at 12:12 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-137-penn-vs-diaz-official-discussion-thread.42350/

Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
FIGHTMAGNET said:
Spud said:
I'd be more interested to see his TDD record, as this is whats going to be tested in the fight.
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Thanks. That must be worrying, he's never faced anyone near as good as a wrestler as GSP yet around half of TD attempts on him are successful.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Fight Magnet
Date: October 07, 2011 at 01:37 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-137-penn-vs-diaz-official-discussion-thread.42350/

Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
Spud said:
Thanks. That must be worrying, he's never faced anyone near as good as a wrestler as GSP yet around half of TD attempts on him are successful.
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Absolutely, I like to balance that with his finishing % in the sub department, and I have myself convinced he's simply not afraid to be taken down.
side note: Fightmetric has him at 6' (Gsp) :? and on his wiki page he's 5'10".

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: feldspar
Date: October 07, 2011 at 03:57 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-137-penn-vs-diaz-official-discussion-thread.42350/

Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
FIGHTMAGNET said:
Spud said:
Thanks. That must be worrying, he's never faced anyone near as good as a wrestler as GSP yet around half of TD attempts on him are successful.
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Absolutely, I like to balance that with his finishing % in the sub department, and I have myself convinced he's simply not afraid to be taken down.
side note: Fightmetric has him at 6' (Gsp) :? and on his wiki page he's 5'10".
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Also Condit is 27-5 not 9-2

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: dock59
Date: October 08, 2011 at 03:21 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-137-penn-vs-diaz-official-discussion-thread.42350/

Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
Man i hope Condit takes this one. It would just make WW SOOOOO much more exciting and so many great match ups with GSP outta the picture.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Fight Magnet
Date: October 09, 2011 at 12:11 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-137-penn-vs-diaz-official-discussion-thread.42350/

Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
UFC 137: St-Pierre vs Condit
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/v/mTd4kEyBZK4?rel=0&hd=1[/youtube]

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Lasse
Date: October 09, 2011 at 12:17 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-137-penn-vs-diaz-official-discussion-thread.42350/

Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
GSP will thrash mr.ragdoll around and toss him out of the cage with its hands tied behind his back.
GSP by KO at 3:57 in the 2nd round.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: keystone
Date: October 09, 2011 at 12:29 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-137-penn-vs-diaz-official-discussion-thread.42350/

Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
Wow people r still mad that gsp got outstruck by shields. Cant wait till condit kos gsp

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: JonnyRico
Date: October 09, 2011 at 12:30 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-137-penn-vs-diaz-official-discussion-thread.42350/

Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
It'll be hard to do with GSP headlining, but I think this card will deliver just like UFC 136 did last night. Because this is also an awesome card from top to bottom.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Gnarcore
Date: October 09, 2011 at 12:34 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-137-penn-vs-diaz-official-discussion-thread.42350/

Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
keystone said:
Wow people r still mad that gsp got outstruck by shields. Cant wait till condit kos gsp
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The fight was standing almost the whole time. GSP won the fight. 5 rounds to 0 on one card. In what world does that equate him being out struck? What I mostly recall is Shield open hand eye poke/gouging and landing jabs once GSP couldn't see.
I also recall him dropping Shields in the 4th round with a head kick and trying to take his head off the previous 3 rounds.
Shields had far more success than anyone expected but 'out struck'? No....of course if we go by your posting history I'd classify you as a 'hater' in all matter concerning GSP

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Spud
Date: October 09, 2011 at 12:37 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-137-penn-vs-diaz-official-discussion-thread.42350/

Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
keystone said:
Wow people r still mad that gsp got outstruck by shields. Cant wait till condit kos gsp
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What makes you think GSP will stand with Condit?
This is going to be a replica of the GSP Vs Hardy fight, but with more GnP.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: anotherusername
Date: October 09, 2011 at 12:45 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-137-penn-vs-diaz-official-discussion-thread.42350/

Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
My picks:
GSP, because he has more ways to win
Diaz, because Penn has not looked good lately. His only win in 2 years was against Hughes
Mitrione, because he is undefeated and I suspect he has a better chin
Cro Cop, because Nelson is still fat and has had no cardio lately. Nelson is 35 now and the fat has caught up with him.
Roop, because Japanese fighters tend to lose in the UFC (I know nothing about Roop or his opponent).