UFC 236 (Poirier vs Holloway II)
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LUCKILY, thanks to a few junkie friends, i was able to tune in for the main events tonight... GOT DAMN!!!!
Adesanya!! My guy! Very sweet to finally see that belt wrapped around his waist. I always ride with my guys. I'll take him against Knuckles too
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Though i have to be honest, I thought Kelvin had him in RD4. Izzy wasnt keeping his hands up, he was tired, just couldn't find "that" rhythm. Kelvin seemed to be teeing off on most exchange breaks.
I have absoutely no clue where that burst in RD5 came from. Isreal Adesanya pulled through with a legit championship performance
Whittaker has said he should return between June and August. International Fight Card would have seemed ideal, but it already has two title bouts. IF Knuckles can return in Junes, I say put Robert/Israel on the ESPN card in late June. Should be a hell of a scrap and, with a big audience, could catapult the winner to the next level. But I would imagine it would be more likely 240 at the end of July.
I did not catch the fights, but can somebody tell if the doctor checked Anders after the 2nd round? The idea that a fighter can get dropped 4 times and not be examined is disturbing. Not saying it should have been stopped, but at least examine the guy. And based on what everyone is saying it should have been a clear 10-7 under current guidelines, yet judges continue to be too conservative on scoring.
While rooting for Max, I am thrilled for Dustin. At age 30, he has been in the UFC for over 8 years, has always worked his a$$ off and never put on airs or developed a big head. If he continues past 35, and has no major injuries, his UFC fight total will certainly pass the 30 marker (currently 22 with a record of 17-4 and 1 NC).
As a big Kelvin fan I think he fought like an absolute dummy last night. I picked him and fully expected him to press the action more in the wrestling. He has more tools godammit! If I knew he was just going to strike then no way would I have picked him. Can you imagine Jacare and Romero not doing that? That being said. Kelvin has the heart of a lion. His chin is incredible. A lesser man would’ve been slept earlier. Epic fight. Israel v Whitaker is going to be amazing. Cannot wait. It should be in Australia.
I felt for Max, but his power doesent carry well to 155. He needs to stay where he’s at. Poirer doesent get enough credit, but he fought amazing last night.
Max is young but with all the concussion syndromes now watching hi get tagged vs Poirier then go on autopilot and completely change how he fights. I’m not sure how his brain is holding up and worry for his future in regards to career longevity and post career life. He went from elusive volume cardio tactician to lets stand and bang bro vs Dustin..not smart.
maggotbrain said:
Max is young but with all the concussion syndromes now watching hi get tagged vs Poirier then go on autopilot and completely change how he fights. I’m not sure how his brain is holding up and worry for his future in regards to career longevity and post career life. He went from elusive volume cardio tactician to lets stand and bang bro vs Dustin..not smart.
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I don't think he suffers from concussion syndrome, I think it is just his...basic way of life. Not saying he is stupid, but he is not a college grad.
MMAFTM13 said:
As a big Kelvin fan I think he fought like an absolute dummy last night. I picked him and fully expected him to press the action more in the wrestling. He has more tools godammit! If I knew he was just going to strike then no way would I have picked him. Can you imagine Jacare and Romero not doing that? That being said. Kelvin has the heart of a lion. His chin is incredible. A lesser man would’ve been slept earlier. Epic fight. Israel v Whitaker is going to be amazing. Cannot wait. It should be in Australia.
I felt for Max, but his power doesent carry well to 155. He needs to stay where he’s at. Poirer doesent get enough credit, but he fought amazing last night.
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Agreed, I thought Kelvin would mix takedowns with stand-up pressure. It sounds like he fought from the heart, not the head.
MysterLynch said:
I don't think he suffers from concussion syndrome, I think it is just his...basic way of life. Not saying he is stupid, but he is not a college grad
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He’s missed fights due to it. He’s got a lotta fight miles for a young guy and fought uncharacteristic to what made him great, IMO. He stood and traded where he usually uses his superior footwork and movement to pick guys a part. Not sure if when he first got rocked he went into autopilot or what but he didn’t fight like he was so blessed. Sure it was entertaining but smart game planning it was not.
maggotbrain said:
He’s missed fights due to it. He’s got a lotta fight miles for a young guy and fought uncharacteristic to what made him great, IMO. He stood and traded where he usually uses his superior footwork and movement to pick guys a part. Not sure if when he first got rocked he went into autopilot or what but he didn’t fight like he was so blessed. Sure it was entertaining but smart game planning it was not.
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I don't think he fought uncharacteristically, it's just that Poirier has a long reach and the power to hurt Holloway. Holloway usually gets in peoples faces and slightly move in and out of the way, but Poirier was able to reach him in a way that Holloway hasn't dealt with before. And Holloway probably underestimated Poirier's power, he barely gets dazed and he thought he could deal with it, which he could not.
MysterLynch said:
Agreed, I thought Kelvin would mix takedowns with stand-up pressure. It sounds like he fought from the heart, not the head.
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Mike Brown was screaming for takedowns the entire fight, but Kelvin had some success and rocked Adesanya and it's hard to switch into wrestling mode when you feel you got a potential KO on your hands. Besides, Adesanya moves well and I guess Kelvin just didn't feel comfortable or felt it was realistic to get the takedowns on a regular basis once he was in there with him.
I still had Max up 3 to 2 at the worst. He took a lot of power shots, but I never thought he was going to be finished where I thought Dustin was pretty close a number of times and was getting out worked for the vast majority of the fight but a great fight to set up Khabibs next victim.
Haraldr said:
I don't think
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Yes. Clearly. You could’ve just stopped typing right here and I’d totally agree with you.
he fought uncharacteristically, it's just that Poirier has a long reach and the power to hurt Holloway. Holloway usually gets in peoples faces and slightly move in and out of the way, but Poirier was able to reach him in a way that Holloway hasn't dealt with before. And Holloway probably underestimated Poirier's power, he barely gets dazed and he thought he could deal with it, which he could not.
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Haha, jk. But still, you make solid points with reach and undervaluing Poirier’s power but overall I disagree. That may have been part of it but still might play into my point in regards to miles on that tank and once he got cracked went on autopilot. I didn’t see him fighting a smart fight but saw him playing the game Dustin wanted to play. IDK, He may have been drinking too much of his own Kool-Aid, thinking he’s untouchable or whatever have you but he fought much more like a brawler than he has before.
Haraldr said:
Mike Brown was screaming for takedowns the entire fight, but Kelvin had some success and rocked Adesanya and it's hard to switch into wrestling mode when you feel you got a potential KO on your hands. Besides, Adesanya moves well and I guess Kelvin just didn't feel comfortable or felt it was realistic to get the takedowns on a regular basis once he was in there with him.
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Brown? I am pretty sure Kevlin's camp was out of King's MMA.
MysterLynch said:
Brown? I am pretty sure Kevlin's camp was out of King's MMA.
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Definitely out of Kings. I believe he cross trains at 10th Planet for BJJ. No Mike Brown for Kelvin; he was in Poirier's corner. We all learned that Harald is a far *** way from Atlanta (given the west coast confusion) so it was probably wee hours of the morning where he was. I suspect he is melding his memories of the final two fights together.