UFC spent $2,000,000 getting MMA in NY

Originally posted by: abc0331
Date: March 31, 2016 at 10:29 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-spent-2-000-000-getting-mma-in-ny.68776/

DeliciousDan said:
let's clarify something here. The UFC lobbied(bribed(yes it's the same thing) ) their way in New York state to the tune of $2,000,000 for their own benefit. Don't make it seem like it is some grand gesture on their part to their employees and the fans.
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Do you not see that they are interconnected?
The UFC does well, by translation their fighters do well, by translation smaller organizations have a chance to capitalize on the new open market.
Outside of the healthcare plan this might be one of the most populist things the UFC has ever done.
Or, if you want to spin the hypothetical wheel you could say that zuffa who has been rumored to want to sell, now that the sport is legal across the country and has one of the largest markets now available their product is probably worth much more than prior to the legalization. But again that's all hypothetical.
 
Originally posted by: DeliciousDan
Date: March 31, 2016 at 10:58 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-spent-2-000-000-getting-mma-in-ny.68776/

abc0331 said:
Do you not see that they are interconnected?
The UFC does well, by translation their fighters do well, by translation smaller organizations have a chance to capitalize on the new open market.
Outside of the healthcare plan this might be one of the most populist things the UFC has ever done.
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Just because the UFC does well does not mean their fighters will do well, I believe history has shown this to be true. Also sure other organizations will have an opportunity to have shows in NY but let's not get it twisted an say the UFC lobbied to get MMA legalized in New York for everybodies benefit, they did it for their own benefit, that's the way business works.
 
Originally posted by: Reckin007
Date: March 31, 2016 at 11:29 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-spent-2-000-000-getting-mma-in-ny.68776/

Spud said:
It's kinda funny you say "lol how can you possibly know that?" after saying that guys who make $8K are going to be making $100K just because they happened to be booked on a big event.
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Well it's a well known fact that locker room bonuses are given outside of just the reported ones...the 8K -> 100K is strictly a guess of course but I'd assume everyone is going to get a piece of the extra pie here. No reason to think otherwise.
 
Originally posted by: Reckin007
Date: March 31, 2016 at 11:36 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-spent-2-000-000-getting-mma-in-ny.68776/

joedls said:
Because the UFC isn't going to give anyone $100K if they don't move the needle. Sure there have been locker room bonuses. But nowhere near that amount for undercard fighters.
And $100K doesn't make you rich. Not by a long shot.
LOL. The UFC politician will say anything to try to make the UFC look better n
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I'd rather be optimistic than a cynic/pessimist that's for sure. I certainly didn't say they were going to be rich long term but for their one night of fights I believe everyone is going to do better than usual and they'll feel rich if they don't make a lot of money contractually. But you keep believing everything you hear, it's all so accurate, everyone in the UFC is suffering and in poverty.
 
Originally posted by: Reckin007
Date: March 31, 2016 at 11:36 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-spent-2-000-000-getting-mma-in-ny.68776/

DeliciousDan said:
Just because the UFC does well does not mean their fighters will do well
, I believe history has shown this to be true. Also sure other organizations will have an opportunity to have shows in NY but let's not get it twisted an say the UFC lobbied to get MMA legalized in New York for everybodies benefit, they did it for their own benefit, that's the way business works.
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That must be why the contracts have been increasing year after year.
 
Originally posted by: MysterLynch
Date: March 31, 2016 at 11:37 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-spent-2-000-000-getting-mma-in-ny.68776/

DeliciousDan said:
let's clarify something here. The UFC lobbied(bribed(yes it's the same thing) ) their way in New York state to the tune of $2,000,000 for their own benefit. Don't make it seem like it is some grand gesture on their part to their employees and the fans.
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No, it is not the same thing, not even close. If that money went into the pockets of reps, then it is a bribe. But a lot of it was spent promoting the sport, rallying people to contact their reps, traveling to the state and indeed on hiring professional lobbyists to meet with politicians and put pressure on them. There certainly is corruption in politics just like in almost every other facet of life, but to say that all lobbying is bribery is ignorant.
Reckin007 said:
Well it's a well known fact that locker room bonuses are given outside of just the reported ones...the 8K -> 100K is strictly a guess of course but I'd assume everyone is going to get a piece of the extra pie here. No reason to think otherwise.
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Based on everything I have heard 4-25k is most common, but bigger ones do occur. And while I don't think UFC 200, or any other event, is going to see every making 100k, the more successful a card is, the more is usually paid out in bonuses.
 
Originally posted by: abc0331
Date: March 31, 2016 at 11:47 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-spent-2-000-000-getting-mma-in-ny.68776/

DeliciousDan said:
Just because the UFC does well does not mean their fighters will do well, I believe history has shown this to be true. Also sure other organizations will have an opportunity to have shows in NY but let's not get it twisted an say the UFC lobbied to get MMA legalized in New York for everybodies benefit, they did it for their own benefit, that's the way business works.
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History has shown that if the UFC does well by translation the fighters do well. Have you not seen wages go up like 500% across the board the past 10 years?
The UFC did get mma legalized in NY for their own purposes, of course they have to have something to gain to be that motivated. But as industry leaders when they open doors, others benefit from it.
 
Originally posted by: thedoop
Date: March 31, 2016 at 11:53 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-spent-2-000-000-getting-mma-in-ny.68776/

A. that's not much considering
B. lol at america, buying laws
 
Originally posted by: DeliciousDan
Date: March 31, 2016 at 12:25 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-spent-2-000-000-getting-mma-in-ny.68776/

MysterLynch said:
but to say that all lobbying is bribery is ignorant.
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Actually I would say it is quite insightful. Lobbyists are paid to take politicians out to expensive dinners, golfing trips to exclusive clubs and more activities of the like.As somebody who lives quite close to DC and know many individuals who work within the government in DC I would say my assessment of lobbying is correct.
 
Originally posted by: DeliciousDan
Date: March 31, 2016 at 12:35 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-spent-2-000-000-getting-mma-in-ny.68776/

Reckin007 said:
That must be why the contracts have been increasing year after year.
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False.
 
Originally posted by: DeliciousDan
Date: March 31, 2016 at 12:36 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-spent-2-000-000-getting-mma-in-ny.68776/

Reckin007 said:
Well it's a well known fact that locker room bonuses are given outside of just the reported ones...the 8K -> 100K is strictly a guess of course but I'd assume everyone is going to get a piece of the extra pie here. No reason to think otherwise.
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False
 
Originally posted by: abc0331
Date: March 31, 2016 at 01:22 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-spent-2-000-000-getting-mma-in-ny.68776/

DeliciousDan said:
False.
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Nope you are incorrect on that.
Chael Sonnen talked about this about 8 months ago.
 
Originally posted by: MysterLynch
Date: March 31, 2016 at 02:08 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-spent-2-000-000-getting-mma-in-ny.68776/

DeliciousDan said:
Actually I would say it is quite insightful. Lobbyists are paid to take politicians out to expensive dinners, golfing trips to exclusive clubs and more activities of the like.As somebody who lives quite close to DC and know many individuals who work within the government in DC I would say my assessment of lobbying is correct.
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Except that lobbyists have more restrictions on them than ever before. So if you think that politicians are selling their votes for trips, that speaks volumes about your view on government. I am also familiar with government and have followed it for 35 years (Started registering voters before I was even a teenager) . I have known some in gov and even a few that have worked as lobbyists. 15 years ago, Lobbies were putting tens of thousands, and sometimes more, into the pockets of congressmen. MN's own former Sen Dave Durenberger got caught. Yes, there are meals and golf, but that sets the bar pretty low, especially when you look at the millions of dollars spent on things like the proposed Comcast/Time Warner deal, Comcast spent over 100 million and senators shot it down, despite a Yay vote being where the money was. Successful Lobbying firms strive for access and often that access allows them to provide data and position papers, even proposed laws. If you look at many of the recent gun laws, ones that expand rights, a lot are almost indentical...outside forces put them together and lobby individual states.
Lobbies have a lot of influence, but far more of it comes from the threat of crossing them. The NRA spends more, but scares the hell out of a lot of politicians. MMA had been blocked, in NY, because of the Union lobby and the votes they provided. Lobbies have more access to politicians, far more, and that is their main advantage. There is some corruption everywhere, in government and out, but your statement was a huge generalization. And in this day and age, it is far easier to get caught, the risks for actually taking bribes are greater than ever.
Those dinners you talk about, companies do the same thing when dealing with other companies. Look at the health care industry. My mother was part of a government public health department and was taken to many dinners where a pharmaceutical company would talk about their new drug. They used the meal to get access, but those meals did get them favorable treatment. It did make them more aware of that drug vs some others out there. Hell, I used to work radio and rec'd shirts, jackets, hats, signed CDs, vinyl, posters, meals, concert tickets and many other things. It got my attention, but did not dictate playlists. Even now, I deal with publishers and TV/film/DVD studios. I receive plenty of free things and been given access to plenty of best-selling authors, screenwriters and some actors, it does not mean they have bought me. Amazon is currently spending millions promoting their new TV shows (BOSCH is one I have interacted with them on) and publishing imprints (Thomas & Mercer is their crime fiction imprint) and building relationships with critics and other media outlets. Is that bribery?
So unless you feel that bribery is a part of every day commerce, every day life from the top on down, your statement is a huge generalization and stereotype ("All politicians are corrupt!") that has been around forever.
 
Originally posted by: DeliciousDan
Date: March 31, 2016 at 04:28 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-spent-2-000-000-getting-mma-in-ny.68776/

abc0331 said:
Nope you are incorrect on that.
Chael Sonnen talked about this about 8 months ago.
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False and double false for referencing Chael Sonnen, that dude lies more than Dana White.
 
Originally posted by: abc0331
Date: March 31, 2016 at 05:01 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-spent-2-000-000-getting-mma-in-ny.68776/

DeliciousDan said:
False and double false for referencing Chael Sonnen, that dude lies more than Dana White.
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Lol okay, how about reported pay?
I mean you can do math right?---even though I doubt it, you can look at reported pay and watch it go up and up.
Sorry child but you are wrong on this one.
 
Originally posted by: mabrown45
Date: March 31, 2016 at 09:47 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-spent-2-000-000-getting-mma-in-ny.68776/

DeliciousDan said:
let's clarify something here. The UFC lobbied(bribed(yes it's the same thing) ) their way in New York state to the tune of $2,000,000 for their own benefit. Don't make it seem like it is some grand gesture on their part to their employees and the fans.
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congrats on stating the obvious......of course they did it for their own benefit.
but when they benefit their employees will see the benefit.
 
Originally posted by: BRF
Date: March 31, 2016 at 09:55 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-spent-2-000-000-getting-mma-in-ny.68776/

how much did bellator spend
 
Originally posted by: Reckin007
Date: March 31, 2016 at 10:41 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-spent-2-000-000-getting-mma-in-ny.68776/

BRF said:
how much did bellator spend
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$6. Coker bought some street meat before watching it unfold.
 
Originally posted by: thedoop
Date: March 31, 2016 at 10:43 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-spent-2-000-000-getting-mma-in-ny.68776/

Reckin007 said:
$6. Coker bought some street meat before watching it unfold.
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$20*, man likes his street meat.
 
Originally posted by: CardioKing
Date: March 31, 2016 at 10:46 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-spent-2-000-000-getting-mma-in-ny.68776/

Reckin007 said:
Yes all the fighters are going to get rich that night. Rich being a subjective term. Someone who makes 8K a fight who makes 100K that night would likely consider themselves rich.
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