Who is the true UFC Lightweight Champion?

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Neonep
Date: April 09, 2018 at 01:48 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-is-the-true-ufc-lightweight-champion.72459/

Mike Porch MMA said:
Khabib is the champion.
But with all due respect, we wont know who the best lightweight in the world is, until Conor, Tony, Khabib fight each other. Thats just it.
Khabib is champ, but we DO NOT, know who the best in the world is. They need to fight each other. In some combination
Plus, Conor and Tony are both champions who never lost their belts. Again, I'm sorry. But this championship is absolutely 100% in dispute. Khabib is champ, but damn.
What a situation
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And the UFC did it to themselves.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: John8204
Date: April 09, 2018 at 02:27 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-is-the-true-ufc-lightweight-champion.72459/

Mike Porch MMA said:
there is technically no wrong answer.
I
just need to see them fight each other. They have to. The MMA world needs closure. There will always be questions. These are the 3 best & they have never fought eachother.
We need to see who's the best through competition
.
And I literally started my post by saying Khabib is
the
champion. Khabib might be 26-0 (which is an unreal accomplishment), but he is in the exact same boat as Ferguson was a few months ago. Only difference is that his belt isnt an interim. Say what you will about Tony & Conor, but these are facts: They are both champs who never lost their belts due to competition. Its a weird situation, that well never see again imo
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The belt at this point is a prop...we now have three examples of MMA math that Khabib > Tony
Khabib beat Michael Johnson...Michael Johnson beat Tony Ferguson
Khabib beat Al Iaquinta for the title, Tony beat Kevin Lee for the title, Al beat Kevin Lee
Khabib crushed Edson Barboza, Edson Barboza had a FOTY against Tony Ferguson (that Ferguson won in part because of a foul)
Khabib doesn't need to beat Tony Ferguson, Tony Ferguson needs to beat Khabib. It would be nice if they fought head to head and we got a definitive answer but with Tony blowing out his knee would he even be 100% for the fight?
Tony is on the list for the pound for pound best in the world...Khabib is in the discussion for being the best pound for pound fighter in the world.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Mike Porch MMA
Date: April 09, 2018 at 02:32 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-is-the-true-ufc-lightweight-champion.72459/

John8204 said:
The belt at this point is a prop...we now have three examples of MMA math that Khabib > Tony
Khabib beat Michael Johnson...Michael Johnson beat Tony Ferguson
Khabib beat Al Iaquinta for the title, Tony beat Kevin Lee for the title, Al beat Kevin Lee
Khabib crushed Edson Barboza, Edson Barboza had a FOTY against Tony Ferguson (that Ferguson won in part because of a foul)
Khabib doesn't need to beat Tony Ferguson, Tony Ferguson needs to beat Khabib. It would be nice if they fought head to head and we got a definitive answer but with Tony blowing out his knee would he even be 100% for the fight?
Tony is on the list for the pound for pound best in the world...Khabib is in the discussion for being the best pound for pound fighter in the world.
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Bro, f--- MMA Math
. Its a dead & ancient science that no one take seriously anymore

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: motives
Date: April 09, 2018 at 02:37 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-is-the-true-ufc-lightweight-champion.72459/

Pfft, Who ISN'T the ufc Lightweight champ these days ffs.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: motives
Date: April 09, 2018 at 02:54 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-is-the-true-ufc-lightweight-champion.72459/

John8204 said:
The belt at this point is a prop...we now have three examples of MMA math that Khabib > Tony
Khabib beat Michael Johnson...Michael Johnson beat Tony Ferguson
Khabib beat Al Iaquinta for the title, Tony beat Kevin Lee for the title, Al beat Kevin Lee
Khabib crushed Edson Barboza, Edson Barboza had a FOTY against Tony Ferguson (that Ferguson won in part because of a foul)
Khabib doesn't need to beat Tony Ferguson, Tony Ferguson needs to beat Khabib. It would be nice if they fought head to head and we got a definitive answer but with Tony blowing out his knee would he even be 100% for the fight?
Tony is on the list for the pound for pound best in the world...Khabib is in the discussion for being the best pound for pound fighter in the world.
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Nah.
We KNOW currently Mighty Mouse and Bone's are in the discussion. (and yes, regardless Jon IS in that discussion.)
Probably Stipe too.
That's the ONLY discussion.
But after that we have a Khabib, Conor, Max and Ferguson
I mean could either of those 3 LW's be in the discussion when none of them have cleared the division or even had to deal with the other top 2 guys in that division?
.
1. MM
2.Bones
3.Stipe
4.Khabib/Tony/Conor

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Haraldr
Date: April 09, 2018 at 03:19 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-is-the-true-ufc-lightweight-champion.72459/

M0TIVES said:
Pfft, Who ISN'T the ufc Lightweight champ these days ffs.
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Dude, what do you even mean? Mark Coleman is not the lightweight champion, neither is Henry Cejudo. Most guys and girls on the roster is not the lightweight champion man.
lol you need to think before you speak man

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: John8204
Date: April 09, 2018 at 03:22 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-is-the-true-ufc-lightweight-champion.72459/

M0TIVES said:
Nah.
We KNOW currently Mighty Mouse and Bone's are in the discussion. (and yes, regardless Jon IS in that discussion.)
Probably Stipe too.
That's the ONLY discussion.
But after that we have a Khabib, Conor, Max and Ferguson
I mean could either of those 3 LW's be in the discussion when none of them have cleared the division or even had to deal with the other top 2 guys in that division?
.
1. MM
2.Bones
3.Stipe
4.Khabib/Tony/Conor
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Stipe is a HW...HW's don't really belong in p4p discussion. Why Stipe and not Cyborg both divisions are likely as deep as the other and Cyborg hasn't lost in 10 years.
1.
GSP
(26-2) (GOAT)
2.
Bones
(22-1-(1)) (in the GOAT discussion)
3.
Mighty Mouse
(27-2-1) (in the GOAT discussion)
4.
Khabib
(26-0)
5.
DC
(20-1-(1))
<gap for the beatable ones with multiple loses but still the top guys>
6.
Max
(19-3)
7.
Conor
(21-3)
8.
Ferguson
(23-3)
<champions with great records in weak divisions at the heaviest weights>
9.
Cyborg
(20-1-(1))
10.
Stipe
(18-2)
<disputed champions, top contenders with great legacy's>
11.
Whittaker
(19-4)
12.
Dillashaw
(15-3)
13.
Woodley
(18-3-1)
14.
Alvarez
(29-5)
15.
Benavidez
(25-4)

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: motives
Date: April 09, 2018 at 03:42 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-is-the-true-ufc-lightweight-champion.72459/

John8204 said:
Why Stipe and not Cyborg both divisions are likely as deep as the other and Cyborg hasn't lost in 10 years.
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Wait thats delusional. Womans Feather weight is in no way shape or form comparable to Mens Heavyweight.
We all know HW isn't the deepest but woman's FW is virtually non existent.
Stipe over Cyborg cuz he fought Werdum, JDS,Overeem and Ngannou while Cyborg fought Holly Holmes and that's it.
She's the the champion of a division that just is not there atm.
.
John8204 said:
HW's don't really belong in p4p discussion.
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That's an opinion
And before Stipe's run it was most likely true.
Miocic has changed that.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: motives
Date: April 09, 2018 at 03:51 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-is-the-true-ufc-lightweight-champion.72459/

Haraldr said:
lol you need to think before you
type
man
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fixed.. "Man"

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: John8204
Date: April 09, 2018 at 04:11 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-is-the-true-ufc-lightweight-champion.72459/

M0TIVES said:
Wait thats delusional. Womans Feather weight is in no way shape or form comparable to Mens Heavyweight.
We all know HW isn't the deepest but woman's FW is virtually non existent.
Stipe over Cyborg cuz he fought Werdum, JDS,Overeem and Ngannou while Cyborg fought Holly Holmes and that's it.
She's the the champion of a division that just is not there atm.
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Meh not really, they both have eight notable wins and have beaten five notable champions..
Holy Holm(UFC BW Champ)
Marloes Coenen (Strikeforce BW Champ)
Vanessa Porto - (2X Invicta Flyweight title challenger)
Gina Carano - (undefeated)
Tonya Evinger
- (Invicta BW Champ)
Hitomi Akano - (#1 Flyweight)
Yana Kunitskaya - (Invicta BW Champ)
Shayna Baszler - (FCF Grand Prix Champ)
vs
Fabricio Werdum (UFC HW Champ)
Alistair Overeem (Strikeforce, Dream HW Champ)
Junior Dos Santos (UFC HW Champ)
Mark Hunt (2X HW Title challenger)
Francis NGannou
Andrei Arlovski (UFC HW champ)
Gabriel Gonzaga (UFC HW title challenger)
Roy Nelson (IFL HW champ)
You know the names of the fighters Stipe beat but how many of those guys were in their prime? Cyborg's fought three divisions of championship level fighters.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Haraldr
Date: April 09, 2018 at 04:31 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-is-the-true-ufc-lightweight-champion.72459/

If you don't have Stipe within the top 4 p4p you are a complete moron when it comes to MMA.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: motives
Date: April 09, 2018 at 04:50 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-is-the-true-ufc-lightweight-champion.72459/

John8204 said:
Meh not really, they both have eight notable wins and have beaten five notable champions..
Holy Holm(UFC
BW
Champ)
Marloes Coenen (Strikeforce
BW
Champ)
Vanessa Porto - (2X Invicta
flyweight
title challenger)
Gina Carano - (undefeated)
Tonya Evinger
- (Invicta
BW
Champ)
Hitomi Akano - (#1
flyweight
)
Yana Kunitskaya - (Invicta
BW
Champ)
.
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Notice the trend?
C'mon man
NEXT LIST PLEASE.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Mike Porch MMA
Date: April 09, 2018 at 05:25 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-is-the-true-ufc-lightweight-champion.72459/

I got Stipe Ranked #3. Would be #2, if to were not for the fact that i sadly still keep Jones ranked.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: John8204
Date: April 09, 2018 at 05:31 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-is-the-true-ufc-lightweight-champion.72459/

Haraldr said:
If you don't have Stipe within the top 4 p4p you are a complete moron when it comes to MMA.
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Stipe might not even be the best HW, he
might
be the 4th best HW behind DC, Cain, and Minakov (who is 21-0 BTW).
M0TIVES said:
Notice the trend?
C'mon man
NEXT LIST PLEASE.
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She's fought champions from 125-145lbs, I'd rather see a champ beat those people than Stipe knocking out the AARP that make up the UFC HW division.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Haraldr
Date: April 09, 2018 at 06:13 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-is-the-true-ufc-lightweight-champion.72459/

John8204 said:
Stipe might not even be the best HW, he
might
be the 4th best HW behind DC, Cain, and Minakov (who is 21-0 BTW).
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did you just say that vitaly minakov is better than stipe. i have no words

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: John8204
Date: April 09, 2018 at 06:26 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-is-the-true-ufc-lightweight-champion.72459/

Wait a year till Volkov/Minakov II is the HW title match

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: motives
Date: April 09, 2018 at 06:30 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-is-the-true-ufc-lightweight-champion.72459/

John8204 said:
Minakov (who is 21-0 BTW).
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really bro? He's 21-0 at HW (which is light to begin with over all) but 21-0 outside the Big leagues ta boot has been shown to be a facade on multiple occasions. He would get shown up by 2/3 of the top ufc HW's imo.
She's fought champions from 125-145lbs, I'd rather see a champ beat those people than Stipe knocking out the AARP that make up the UFC HW division.[/quote]
Everyone knows that the heavyweight division tends too show more quality with the +30 fighters.
And Cyborg fought those other lower division fighters because just like I said, there was know other fighters for her to fight at her weight save one or two names.
She has not had to persevere like Stipe.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: John8204
Date: April 09, 2018 at 07:03 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-is-the-true-ufc-lightweight-champion.72459/

M0TIVES said:
really bro? He's 21-0 at HW (which is light to begin with over all) but 21-0 outside the Big leagues ta boot has been shown to be a facade on multiple occasions. He would get shown up by 2/3 of the top ufc HW's imo.
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Except we've seen with Ngannou, Volkov, and Lesnar coming into the UFC and beating top ten guys isn't that crazy. Part of the reason why it's always chancy ranking Heavyweights on pound for pound is a big guy that is good at one thing could be a champion. Also the guys Minkov's beating they are taking all of their vitamins. Miocic might be the UFC's best fighter but Minakov is the champion of Kong Skull Island.
I don't know why anyone would trust the UFC HW talent development when they passed on Overeem, cut Werdum and tried to buy out Mark Hunt.
To get it back on topic it's funny how we've got so many questions about Khabib when Stipe still hasn't beaten a guy that was #1 contender in Cain Velasquez.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Spud
Date: April 10, 2018 at 02:14 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/who-is-the-true-ufc-lightweight-champion.72459/

John8204 said:
Except we've seen with Ngannou, Volkov, and Lesnar coming into the UFC and beating top ten guys isn't that crazy. Part of the reason why it's always chancy ranking Heavyweights on pound for pound is a big guy that is good at one thing could be a champion. Also the guys Minkov's beating they are taking all of their vitamins. Miocic might be the UFC's best fighter but Minakov is the champion of Kong Skull Island.
I don't know why anyone would trust the UFC HW talent development when they passed on Overeem, cut Werdum and tried to buy out Mark Hunt.
To get it back on topic it's funny how we've got so many questions about Khabib when Stipe still hasn't beaten a guy that was #1 contender in Cain Velasquez.
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Ngannou was a 5-1 prospect when he came into the UFC. He didn't come in and start fighting top guys off the bat. If you consider his career as as example of someone "coming into the UFC and beating top 10 guys" you could say that about basically anyone with a top 10 win within their first 2 years.