Who's the better Wrestler? Chael Sonnen or GSP?

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Hopecrusher
Date: September 07, 2012 at 02:01 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-the-better-wrestler-chael-sonnen-or-gsp.48369/

Sonnen was an NCAA Division 1 All American wrestler, He's also a two time University National Champion in Greco Roman wrestling and a United States Olympic Team alternate.
GSP- :lol:
Gsp is a true mixed martial artist, He has taken down every single opponent he's ever been in the ring with because he utilizes every aspect of mixed martial arts! faints, combinations, foot work, etc. he keeps you off balance, and takes you down with a quickness! Even the amount of illegal moves in wrestling that dont pertain to gsp because he uses alot of jui jitsu to maintain a dominant position!
Chaels greatest strength is his pure wrestling!
Who's better at karate, jui jitsu, boxing, or mma? GSP!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: grapplethis
Date: September 07, 2012 at 02:12 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-the-better-wrestler-chael-sonnen-or-gsp.48369/

Sedulous said:
mabrown45 said:
oh god..........sonnen all day long.
GSP's takedowns come primarily from his striking. Chael just bull rushes and gets you down with pure power.
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You must not pay much attention to GSP's wrestling when he fights.
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it's an irrelevant question when it comes regarding a silva/gsp fight. both sonnen and gsp are heaps better at wrestling than silva.
the better question is "is gsp's grappling so much better than chael's that he can do what chael did without getting submitted?"

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ChrisminaL
Date: September 07, 2012 at 03:59 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-the-better-wrestler-chael-sonnen-or-gsp.48369/

Spud said:
Chael Sonnen.
GSP sets up his takedowns better though, but that's because of his striking and all-round MMA ability.
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First answer was the best one.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
Date: September 07, 2012 at 09:45 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-the-better-wrestler-chael-sonnen-or-gsp.48369/

Chael whips GSP in a collegiate match, a freestyle match, or a greco match (of course). But in mma, you have to use your wrestling to do more than just wrestle and maintain position; you also have to use it to set up offense while defending against submissions.
I'd put GSP's top-position sub defense against Chael's 8 losses by submission any day.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: coreymb
Date: September 07, 2012 at 10:51 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-the-better-wrestler-chael-sonnen-or-gsp.48369/

Feel like so many of you are putting way too much stock in Chael's collegiate wrestling(and beyond career), his size and raw power and not looking at the rest of the story.
It's a different case, but I remember when so many people were saying the same thing about Lesnar when he fought Cain. "Oh 'his wrestling credentials are so much better, he's huge and his power is insane, if he gets Cain down it's all over(etc,etc)".
GSP is a far superior fighter, sets up his TD's much better and his technique trumps Chael's power all day long. Let's not forget that GSP has a history of fighting better fighters with wrestling throughout his career as well.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: wolf
Date: September 07, 2012 at 11:11 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-the-better-wrestler-chael-sonnen-or-gsp.48369/

coreymb said:
Let's not forget that GSP has a history of fighting better fighters with wrestling throughout his career as well.
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This is a great point. GSP has beaten solid WW wrestlers in Fitch and Kos. Who has Sonnen fought who was a great wrestler?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Spud
Date: September 07, 2012 at 11:16 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-the-better-wrestler-chael-sonnen-or-gsp.48369/

coreymb said:
Feel like so many of you are putting way too much stock in Chael's collegiate wrestling(and beyond career), his size and raw power and not looking at the rest of the story.
It's a different case, but I remember when so many people were saying the same thing about Lesnar when he fought Cain. "Oh 'his wrestling credentials are so much better, he's huge and his power is insane, if he gets Cain down it's all over(etc,etc)".
GSP is a far superior fighter, sets up his TD's much better and his technique trumps Chael's power all day long. Let's not forget that GSP has a history of fighting better fighters with wrestling throughout his career as well.
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Anyone that actually looked at the wrestling technique of Lesnar and Velasquez could clearly see Cain was the better wrestler. In MMA, Brocks wrestling was above average, but he wasn't anything special. Carwin shrugged him off easily until he gassed.
GSP sets up his technique better, but Chaels double leg is one of the best in MMA. If he gets a told of you, it's not just his strength that's taking you down, it's his wrestling technique.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: mabrown45
Date: September 07, 2012 at 11:20 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-the-better-wrestler-chael-sonnen-or-gsp.48369/

The answer for this is still obvious...........its chael freakin sonnen.
wolf mentioned it in his reply to my first post but the question is who is the better wrestler........and the answer is sonnen.
we can talk about mma wrestling, takedowns, technique, penis size, or whatever but the answer to the OPs question is still sonnnen.
in mma GSP owns sonnen on all levels but power
..........but you get the two to wrestle each other at the same weight and sonnen will win.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: clockwerk
Date: September 07, 2012 at 12:49 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-the-better-wrestler-chael-sonnen-or-gsp.48369/

If you check fight metric, GSP's stats are far better.
GSP:
SLpM 3.79 TD Avg. 4.3
Str. Acc. 54% TD Acc. 78%
SApM 1.17 TD Def. 86%
Str. Def. 75% Sub. Avg. 1.35
Sonnen:
SLpM 3.24 TD Avg. 3.94
Str. Acc. 44% TD Acc. 60%
SApM 0.96 TD Def. 71%
Str. Def. 67% Sub. Avg. 0.26

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: coreymb
Date: September 07, 2012 at 02:13 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-the-better-wrestler-chael-sonnen-or-gsp.48369/

Spud said:
coreymb said:
Feel like so many of you are putting way too much stock in Chael's collegiate wrestling(and beyond career), his size and raw power and not looking at the rest of the story.
It's a different case, but I remember when so many people were saying the same thing about Lesnar when he fought Cain. "Oh 'his wrestling credentials are so much better, he's huge and his power is insane, if he gets Cain down it's all over(etc,etc)".
GSP is a far superior fighter, sets up his TD's much better and his technique trumps Chael's power all day long. Let's not forget that GSP has a history of fighting better fighters with wrestling throughout his career as well.
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Anyone that actually looked at the wrestling technique of Lesnar and Velasquez could clearly see Cain was the better wrestler. In MMA, Brocks wrestling was above average, but he wasn't anything special. Carwin shrugged him off easily until he gassed.
GSP sets up his technique better, but Chaels double leg is one of the best in MMA. If he gets a told of you, it's not just his strength that's taking you down, it's his wrestling technique.
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Right, but many(maybe even most) were saying that if Brock got Cain down, it was all over due to his size and power. Most were not giving respect to Cain's technique. Not just on junkie, but most sites.
Also, Chael is well versed in all styles of wrestling, I haven't seen him outside of mma really, but in mma, he's more of a power wrestler more than anything. Not saying he doesn't have technique(because he has shown technique and solid transitions), but he's a guy that will drag you down if need be or plow you into the fence and just lift. He's not a finesse wrestler by any means. I'd take a guy like GSP with his explosive power and far better technique all day long. His stats don't lie either-especially when he's fought the better wrestlers.
And like I previously said, Chael's style once on the ground can be a liability. We don't have to worry about that with GSP.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: magnuml
Date: September 07, 2012 at 04:08 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-the-better-wrestler-chael-sonnen-or-gsp.48369/

mabrown45 said:
oh god..........sonnen all day long.
GSP's takedowns come primarily from his striking. Chael just bull rushes and gets you down with pure power.
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+1.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Reckin007
Date: September 08, 2012 at 12:01 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-the-better-wrestler-chael-sonnen-or-gsp.48369/

GSP has transitioned his game to add an incredible MMA takedown game. Opponents have a lot to think about against him and he's just far more explosive.
Chael Sonnen's bread and butter is one thing, and one thing only - wrestling takedowns. And he's got a pretty good record in that division and fought for the title twice.
So if you're talking straight up wrestler, it's gotta be Sonnen.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Hopecrusher
Date: September 08, 2012 at 02:36 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-the-better-wrestler-chael-sonnen-or-gsp.48369/

In wrestling you cant set up a takedown with a jab or a head kick!
In wrestling you cant maintain a dominant position with the threat of choking someone out or breaking bones!
In wrestling you cant throw knees to the head in the clinch!
GSP isnt a wrestler, he's a mixed martial artist and his wrestling is a direct result of his ability to do all these things!
Im pretty sure you couldnt even google a picture of GSP in a singlet!
Chael is the better wrestler hands down!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Gnarcore
Date: September 08, 2012 at 03:12 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-the-better-wrestler-chael-sonnen-or-gsp.48369/

GSP is the better MMA grappler. It really isn't even a debate. Chael may be the better pure 'wrestler' but they don't wrestle. They do MMA and GSP is better at every facet of it except with the mic.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: BaconBits
Date: September 08, 2012 at 10:15 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-the-better-wrestler-chael-sonnen-or-gsp.48369/

The wrestling doesn't matter.
Anderson destroys GSP.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: wolf
Date: September 08, 2012 at 11:27 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-the-better-wrestler-chael-sonnen-or-gsp.48369/

BaconBits said:
The wrestling doesn't matter.
Anderson destroys GSP.
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:roll: cool story bro

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: RearNakedSlam
Date: September 08, 2012 at 01:24 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-the-better-wrestler-chael-sonnen-or-gsp.48369/

1) Since when does "wrestling" only mean takedowns?
2) Since when does only having a double leg beat having a single leg, double leg, drag, trip, and being able to set all of them up in 100 different ways? Chael has a double leg, sweet. So does GSP, but GSP can set it up untelegraphed and isn't completely useless against someone with good TDD or Jiu Jitsu.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Spud
Date: September 08, 2012 at 01:28 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-the-better-wrestler-chael-sonnen-or-gsp.48369/

RearNakedSlam said:
1) Since when does "wrestling" only mean takedowns?
2) Since when does only having a double leg beat having a single leg, double leg, drag, trip, and being able to set all of them up in 100 different ways? Chael has a double leg, sweet. So does GSP, but GSP can set it up untelegraphed and
isn't completely useless against someone with good TDD or Jiu Jitsu
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Why does Sonnen get so much s--- like this when he's beaten guys like Marquardt, Bisping, Okami and Dan Miller (who's a good grappler). He dominated 3 out of those 4 fighters, all of whom have good grappling.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: RearNakedSlam
Date: September 08, 2012 at 04:39 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-the-better-wrestler-chael-sonnen-or-gsp.48369/

Spud said:
RearNakedSlam said:
1) Since when does "wrestling" only mean takedowns?
2) Since when does only having a double leg beat having a single leg, double leg, drag, trip, and being able to set all of them up in 100 different ways? Chael has a double leg, sweet. So does GSP, but GSP can set it up untelegraphed and
isn't completely useless against someone with good TDD or Jiu Jitsu
.
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Why does Sonnen get so much s**t like this when he's beaten guys like Marquardt, Bisping, Okami and Dan Miller (who's a good grappler). He dominated 3 out of those 4 fighters, all of whom have good grappling.
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My assumption would be because he got submitted by Silva and Maia. Also, Bisping, Okami, and Marquardt may have good grappling, but not in MMA. Bisping is the only one of those guys with what would be considered good TDD, and it was evident in the fight, as Sonnen barely pulled off a controversial decision. If not for his second fight with Silva, he would be continuing his streak of having his last 5 losses coming by submission.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Gnarcore
Date: September 08, 2012 at 04:48 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/whos-the-better-wrestler-chael-sonnen-or-gsp.48369/

Spud said:
RearNakedSlam said:
1) Since when does "wrestling" only mean takedowns?
2) Since when does only having a double leg beat having a single leg, double leg, drag, trip, and being able to set all of them up in 100 different ways? Chael has a double leg, sweet. So does GSP, but GSP can set it up untelegraphed and
isn't completely useless against someone with good TDD or Jiu Jitsu
.
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Why does Sonnen get so much s**t like this when he's beaten guys like Marquardt, Bisping, Okami and Dan Miller (who's a good grappler). He dominated 3 out of those 4 fighters, all of whom have good grappling.
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They all have good grappling. They don't have the wrestling pedigrees of guys like say Josh Koscheck or Jon Fitch. You know guys GSP out wrestled.