Originally posted by: ACOGSCOPE Date: April 30, 2010 at 02:52 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/you-cant-win-a-fight-by-just-kicking-someone-in-the-legs.25108/
Gnarcore said:
ACOGSCOPE said:
bjj_rage said:
I dont think it will be that easy for machida to change his stance... hes been fighting the same way like in for ever... I think he will try to concentrate more on counters to the head than in cheking leg kicks...
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Erm, he will have to change stance to check kicks. Shogun is to crafty setting his kicks up wiht punches. His Karate style is retarded and should be thrown out the window as soon as Shogun gets the first kick off.
He will try and counter, but prolly wont have much success once those kicks land.
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Well there is a reason why for a quite awhile everyone felt that muay thai was superior to karate. Because muay thai fighters were beating karate fighters routinely and only Machida coming along changed that.
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Machidas style came around and like all styles eventually get figured out. Muay Thai is the traditional style that works in todays MMA world. Shogun had the blue print to beat Machida
Originally posted by: smfowns4 Date: April 30, 2010 at 03:08 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/you-cant-win-a-fight-by-just-kicking-someone-in-the-legs.25108/
DaTruth25 said:
OMG_its_DFM said:
DaTruth25 said:
Octogon Control= shogun/machida- either way, Shogun was fighting his fight but Machida again stuffed some TD's- I got Shogun however because I see what he did fighting his fight bigger than a few stuffed half hearted TD's from Shogun.
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Octagon Control goes to Shogun. He was advancing much much more, and alot of those "failed" takedown attempts turned into a coture-esque Press n' Pray coupled with knees...
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i gave octogon control to Shogun like I said. I was just looking for a reason somehow for a judge to give it to MAchida, and all he did was stuff some TD's for the case, which I said, I didnt think was enough.
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Machida did his style, giving him at least 50% of contol.
Originally posted by: Gnarcore Date: April 30, 2010 at 03:41 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/you-cant-win-a-fight-by-just-kicking-someone-in-the-legs.25108/
ACOGSCOPE said:
Machidas style came around and like all styles eventually get figured out. Muay Thai is the traditional style that works in todays MMA world. Shogun had the blue print to beat Machida
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Muay thai/kickboxing was considered superior before the MMA explosion as well from its success in K1 vs karate fighters.
Back when I was kickboxing (late 90s - 2004) I routinely sparred a friend who was the Shito-Ryu karate national kumite champ for 5 years. The only way he could beat me was in pure karate point fighting. When we'd just full on spar he had no answers for clinch work and the superior low kicks of muay thai. This is why I recall the K1 muay thai > karate debate because we'd argue it for hours :lol:
Originally posted by: OMG_its_DFM Date: April 30, 2010 at 03:48 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/you-cant-win-a-fight-by-just-kicking-someone-in-the-legs.25108/
JayJonah2384 said:
OMG_its_DFM said:
well seeing how the judging criteria includes, "effective striking"; i would say that making your opponent swich stances away from his pounded leg and leaving visible damage to the leg would be considered effective striking... so yeah... you can win a fight just by kicking someone in the leg... Soares = Fail...
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Machida switches stances anyway. So while Rua definitely did damage, it's not all that uncommon to see Lyoto switch stances.
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Sure he does, for a couple of reasons... like to confuse his oponents... to maintain distance... and to protect a leg that just got kicked all to s---... in this fight, made evident by the visible damage, im going to say it was the latter...
Originally posted by: bjj_rage Date: April 30, 2010 at 04:18 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/you-cant-win-a-fight-by-just-kicking-someone-in-the-legs.25108/
Even suggesting that Karate is superior style (in average) to MT or Kickboxing is totally retarded, besides machida, very very few karate guys have success at any combat sport, while using karate... Sure there are a couple of guys with karate backgrounds like GSP, but he uses his karate as much as I use boxing when I roll, meaning ZERO. And a few round house kicks does not make him a karate guy...
Is machida what make his karate so great, not the other way around.
Originally posted by: Butcher101 Date: April 30, 2010 at 07:35 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/you-cant-win-a-fight-by-just-kicking-someone-in-the-legs.25108/
redd1 said:
he said he didnt feel the kicks to the body not that he didnt feel any kicks....
and did you also like how it showed that lyoto was landing twice everytime shogun landed one of his strikes during the first three rounds
...almost sweeping him on multiple occasions?
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That's exactly what i noticed and at the end when the fight was over and i said machida won, everone in my living room (and there was about 10 people) said i was crazy and that shogun was clearly the more dominant fighter. well shogun did dominate the last two rounds and that is awesome for him. but last i heard 3>2. or maybe i suck at math.
Originally posted by: icemanfan4life Date: April 30, 2010 at 08:06 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/you-cant-win-a-fight-by-just-kicking-someone-in-the-legs.25108/
Originally posted by: roxbringer Date: April 30, 2010 at 08:18 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/you-cant-win-a-fight-by-just-kicking-someone-in-the-legs.25108/
Clandestine_ said:
Ed Soares just said that during the 113 countdown. Just thought it was funny seeing as Aldo just did.
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the difference is faber was nearly crippled by aldos kicks and machida wasnt
Originally posted by: lobf Date: April 30, 2010 at 11:01 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/you-cant-win-a-fight-by-just-kicking-someone-in-the-legs.25108/
Originally posted by: Acidice Date: April 30, 2010 at 11:13 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/you-cant-win-a-fight-by-just-kicking-someone-in-the-legs.25108/
I think Ed Soares was just saying that to counter the Rua camp.
You know, making it look like even though Rau laid on some serious kicks, but those 'puff' kicks did nothing to Machida.
He is sticking up for his fighter with that line and the proverbial - "you got to beat the champ ...'" or is it "to be the champ you got ..."
In my opinion it looked like Machida lost. It also looked like even Machida thought he lost.
Anyhow, looking forward to that fight.
Originally posted by: TheFranchise Date: April 30, 2010 at 11:33 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/you-cant-win-a-fight-by-just-kicking-someone-in-the-legs.25108/
O really ed soares, this guy drives me crazy anymore, he really think leg kicks cant win a fight, he does nothing but make excuses over and over for his guys... Hey ed take a look at this picture if you dont think you cant win a fight by just kicking osmone in the leg, you should be pretty fimiliar with this, this is what Fabers leg looks like 6 days after his fight against you guys aldo
Ed Soares I am so sick of you, i hope you eat your words, i want Rua to win, but i really want Rua to win to shut you up
Originally posted by: quickthought Date: May 01, 2010 at 12:26 AM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/you-cant-win-a-fight-by-just-kicking-someone-in-the-legs.25108/
The statement is a compete joke lets be real the guy has zero clue about reailty and is living off others success, but thats besides the point i wanted to talk about the the comparisons between Aldo winning by leg kicks and Shogun winning by leg kicks (even tho it was not given to him). To me the damage Aldo inflicted was far worse but that was because i beleive Fabar is not as conditioned to taking punishment to the legs like loyoto. To me Shogun landed as many (probably more) and clean blows like Aldo did its just Loyoto coming from the background hes got in fighting could better take the punishment to the legs. Winning by leg kicks is no different than winning by repeatedly taking an opponent down and doing zero damage which btw happends a lot or its no different to Frankie Edgars weak jabs against BJ. In the end of the day a wins a win if you win by one its like winning by 100 you still win, i don't see teams in the NBA have to beat the LA Lakers by more than 10 points to win a game they only need to win by 1.
Originally posted by: Bigcat18_99 Date: May 01, 2010 at 02:05 AM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/you-cant-win-a-fight-by-just-kicking-someone-in-the-legs.25108/
quickthought said:
The statement is a compete joke lets be real the guy has zero clue about reailty and is living off others success, but thats besides the point i wanted to talk about the the comparisons between Aldo winning by leg kicks and Shogun winning by leg kicks (even tho it was not given to him). To me the damage Aldo inflicted was far worse but that was because i beleive Fabar is not as conditioned to taking punishment to the legs like loyoto. To me Shogun landed as many (probably more) and clean blows like Aldo did its just Loyoto coming from the background hes got in fighting could better take the punishment to the legs. Winning by leg kicks is no different than winning by repeatedly taking an opponent down and doing zero damage which btw happends a lot or its no different to Frankie Edgars weak jabs against BJ. In the end of the day a wins a win if you win by one its like winning by 100 you still win, i don't see teams in the NBA have to beat the LA Lakers by more than 10 points to win a game they only need to win by 1.
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I like your analogy, a win is a win no matter how it comes and Machida definitely won. Machida said it best "Years down the line, they won't look at the record and say who should have won, they will simply look and see a win-column. lol
Who ever questions Marciano's record and that he should have lost nowadays? Back then yes, now no. Who questions the 72 Dolphins? Sure they got some calls that helped them, and there was argument then but today nobody cares. If Lyoto does retire undefeated (which I doubt) our kids will see it the same way.
Originally posted by: dopey Date: May 01, 2010 at 01:09 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/you-cant-win-a-fight-by-just-kicking-someone-in-the-legs.25108/
If Machida goes undefeated for a few more fights and retires will this first Shogun fight be his "Fedor got cut by an illegal blow". Or if Machida wins will it cancel out the 1st fight in your mind. Or does Machida have to really dominate the 2nd fight to say the 1st win was legit. Perception will be key for the legacy.
Originally posted by: Bigcat18_99 Date: May 01, 2010 at 07:22 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/you-cant-win-a-fight-by-just-kicking-someone-in-the-legs.25108/
I think if he wins the second, many people will shut up about the first but there will still be whiners. Again, years down the line it won't matter either way.
