Crete's Corner

[ABB]

I'm telling you what was drilled into my head in 8 years of Catholic school. This is 100% what they taught me. You will not be accepted into heaven if you do not accept god first and foremost as your savior. Commandment #1. And you could pretty much do anything in life and it will be forgiven as long as you show penance and accept the lord as your savior.

That is how the message was delivered. Maybe the church has softened up on that message since catholic school in the 1980s but this was totally the message they DRILLED into your head back then.

I went to 8 years of catholic school as well, same experience.

But...in 8th grade we went on field trips to every different house of worship in the Bay Area: all sects of the christian faith, sunni and shiite mosques, jewish temple, buddhist temple, hindu temple, etc. So the end of my 8 years of Catholic school came with the realization that all these people were telling the same story with different character names. The underlying question that seems to drive all of them is:

What happens after you die?

I think it's human nature to believe that when we're done here the show isn't over. That desired belief seems to have been present in ancient civilizations as well.

What if...

The kingdom of God, or whatever you believe, is already inside of you. Man can't resist manifesting the concept of God as a tool to promote his own best interests. So if we were able to put away organized religion, what would truly be left?

Of all of the organized religions, the only one that separates itself from the pack, in my opinion, is Buddhism. They will be the first to tell you that they are not a religion but rather a way of life. Should you ask what happens after death, they will say "Whatever you think happens is what happens." They do not take power over or govern your actions in this current existence, but rather let you have what you believe while at the same time disclosing a belief in reincarnation of the soul for the purpose of self betterment.

Does that make me a buddhist? No, however it seems to be the most open and spiritually stable of all the faiths out there.

 

[cmvideo75]

I went to 8 years of catholic school as well, same experience.

But...in 8th grade we went on field trips to every different house of worship in the Bay Area: all sects of the christian faith, sunni and shiite mosques, jewish temple, buddhist temple, hindu temple, etc. So the end of my 8 years of Catholic school came with the realization that all these people were telling the same story with different character names. The underlying question that seems to drive all of them is:

What happens after you die?

I think it's human nature to believe that when we're done here the show isn't over. That desired belief seems to have been present in ancient civilizations as well.

What if...

The kingdom of God, or whatever you believe, is already inside of you. Man can't resist manifesting the concept of God as a tool to promote his own best interests. So if we were able to put away organized religion, what would truly be left?

Of all of the organized religions, the only one that separates itself from the pack, in my opinion, is Buddhism. They will be the first to tell you that they are not a religion but rather a way of life. Should you ask what happens after death, they will say "Whatever you think happens is what happens." They do not take power over or govern your actions in this current existence, but rather let you have what you believe while at the same time disclosing a belief in reincarnation of the soul for the purpose of self betterment.

Does that make me a buddhist? No, however it seems to be the most open and spiritually stable of all the faiths out there.

That question of what happens after you die is what I just could not get past in catholic school. My brain kept coming back to, so are they really telling me that every Jewish person in the world is condemned to hell because they don't accept Jesus as their lord and savior? Because that would seem to be what they are implying. I need some decent logic in my beliefs and there was too much stuff you just had to accept or overlook for me to feel comfortable.

But this was a Roman Catholic school. There are all different kinds of christianity... I think the catholics like to delve a little deeper into the fear and guilt motivation than some others.

 

[Sedulous]

sounds like mom is carrying a heavy burden of guilt and looking for any way to let herself off of the hook. almost like she wants to repent without taking responsibility. maybe she wants her relationship with her son to return to it's formal glory without confronting the elephant in the room.

the great thing is that she can be herself with her grandkids. maybe that will be motivation to confront the obstacle that has prevented her from being honest with what version of herself let you down.

everyone makes mistakes. it's ok Mom, we're all here trying to figure this whole thing out and none of us get it right 100% of the time.

I don't think my relationship with her changed drastically after what happened with my dad. I was never SUPER close with her or anything. I never called her weekly just to talk and told her all about my thoughts and feelings. Sometimes you just don't totally gel with people in your family and that's ok. I don't actually share a lot of deep personal info with anyone in my immediate family just because they all talk. What you say to one person goes to everyone. Something I learned the hard way. So for 20 years I just talk to my wife about those things. We never talk about each other's personal shit to anyone so there is enormous trust there. Addmitedly, I was pretty mad at her for a a good 5 years and what mostly changed is my perspective of my mom as a person. I lost a lot of respect for her over how things went with my dad but I'm not anymore distant than before.

But it's true, we all fuck up. I can forgive and move on pretty quickly for 99% of things. Disloyalty is a tough one for me though. A reasonable relationship is still there but sometimes you just can't look at someone the same way.

 

[Ulf Murphy]

I think it's human nature to believe that when we're done here the show isn't over. That desired belief seems to have been present in ancient civilizations as well.

Those in power have always needed a way to convince young virile men to not kill them but to kill ______ (inset boogeyman here) instead.

What is better than a drunken party with all the cool people in your history, or getting 21 virgins to take care of you, or getting to meet your entire family line ever, or riding off in a space ship, or crossing the rainbow bridge??

I do find it interesting that the only major religion that does not really tout an afterlife is the one that says you should do no harm to any living creatures at any time for any reason because you will be reborn as that eventually. All the rest have a reward for dying and following their rules. So, maybe I need to become a Buddhist...

 

[nubbynub76]

I guess I didn't think the context mattered in this situation because a) he has no fiduciary duty to give an in depth discussion regarding competition as any conversation about competition is future looking and therefore has no fiduciary requirements and b) you asked about context due to the language used (as if not a native English speaker) and I was trying to help you understand that this example is not what you think it is and you should look elsewhere for a more clear opportunity to understand the language.

Or maybe I clearly misunderstood your question and should have kept my nose out of it. Either way, sorry for wasting your time.

And for the record, his fiduciary duty means he cannot put his personal interests ahead of the company of its shareholders, so honestly, as I think about this, there is no fiduciary duty at all in any conversation about competition, unless he is moonlighting for them which we know to be untrue (do we???). So again, if your request to assist with language is what you wanted, then my original point stands. It's a bad example.

I don't like this part of Cretes Corner. Are y'all on the right thread lmao

 

[nubbynub76]

That question of what happens after you die is what I just could not get past in catholic school. My brain kept coming back to, so are they really telling me that every Jewish person in the world is condemned to hell because they don't accept Jesus as their lord and savior? Because that would seem to be what they are implying. I need some decent logic in my beliefs and there was too much stuff you just had to accept or overlook for me to feel comfortable.

But this was a Roman Catholic school. There are all different kinds of christianity... I think the catholics like to delve a little deeper into the fear and guilt motivation than some others.

Speaking of religion... are you the og that has celiac?

 

[bconcrete]

Those in power have always needed a way to convince young virile men to not kill them but to kill ______ (inset boogeyman here) instead.

What is better than a drunken party with all the cool people in your history, or getting 21 virgins to take care of you, or getting to meet your entire family line ever, or riding off in a space ship, or crossing the rainbow bridge??

I do find it interesting that the only major religion that does not really tout an afterlife is the one that says you should do no harm to any living creatures at any time for any reason because you will be reborn as that eventually. All the rest have a reward for dying and following their rules. So, maybe I need to become a Buddhist...

The problem I have with the Buddhist methodology is that it isn't replicable across all of humanity.

It works for some, but there are always just bad people in the world who will do harm. And there will always need to be other people to stop the bad people, so more harm will be done there.

So I guess that's what bugs me: it's almost like they're either outsourcing the inevitable and unavoidable harm that comes in the world and letting other people handle it for them, or just denying fundamental human nature.

 

[cmvideo75]

Speaking of religion... are you the og that has celiac?

Indeed I am. I'm falling apart by the day lol.

 

[ABB]

There are a lot of interesting takes with a lot of interesting reasoning/thought (or sometimes lack of thought) behind them.

I have no idea how to respond to a lot of them.

There are people who believe Jesus was from a super advanced ancient civilization that took to space and that he was essentially giving a warning of, "we're letting you continue to be custodians of the planet, don't fuck it up because we'll be back".

I have no idea how to respond to that other than, if it brings you closer to living by Jesus' teachings I suppose that's a good thing? Though some of the theories get really far out there.

@Eranys turned me onto this book I found completely fascinating, it explained things I already felt but could never verbalize. It was a bit of a tough read but very well worth it. When I say tough read what I mean is there were a lot of paragraphs I had to re-read 5 or 6 times to try and make sense of. I mean - it made sense but connects intellect, emotion, and spirituality and I wanted to really understand wtf it was saying.

E told me it can kind of change the way you see the world and he was right. But not change anything in a bad way, more like enhance what's already in place. It provided me a new pair of goggles, not a new ideology or belief. It's a take it or leave it thing, but it resonated with me and my lived experiences.

Can DM it to you if you wanna check it out. By no means is it blaphempic to any faith

 

[osubuckeye4]

That question of what happens after you die is what I just could not get past in catholic school. My brain kept coming back to, so are they really telling me that every Jewish person in the world is condemned to hell because they don't accept Jesus as their lord and savior? Because that would seem to be what they are implying. I need some decent logic in my beliefs and there was too much stuff you just had to accept or overlook for me to feel comfortable.

But this was a Roman Catholic school. There are all different kinds of christianity... I think the catholics like to delve a little deeper into the fear and guilt motivation than some others.

It always bugged me when anyone affiliated with the Catholic church (nun, priest, CCD volunteer) would say with any kind of conviction that (insert anything) will or won't get you into heaven. They have no authority to make those kind of claims.

I find that statements like those come from taking individual sentences of scripture literally and ignoring the broader context.


It's the the whole idea of someone saying, "Well would you look at that! It says right here that the way to heaven is thru baptism and belief... I got baptized and here I am saying I believe in you, got that Jesus? Now I can do whatever I want and there's nothing you can do about it because you said so! Checkmate!!"

Yea.. it doesn't work that way lol. Baptism and believe was one thing he said, he said a whole lot of other stuff as well. Amongst those teachings was the fact that no one (especially me!) can tell you what will or won't get you into heaven or when your judgment will come. That decision is solely up to God, and God resides inside of us so it's essentially up to us to spread the word to follow the teachings of Christ as best we can and have faith that God will give us the nod when it's our time.

 

[Ulf Murphy]

The problem I have with the Buddhist methodology is that it isn't replicable across all of humanity.

It works for some, but there are always just bad people in the world who will do harm. And there will always need to be other people to stop the bad people, so more harm will be done there.

So I guess that's what bugs me: it's almost like they're either outsourcing the inevitable and unavoidable harm that comes in the world and letting other people handle it for them, or just denying fundamental human nature.

Well, they believe in a version of hell, so with what little I know is that if you continue to do good and be good, then eventually your reincarnation will happen in a time of no evil as long as you stick to your values. But yeah, it sort of sucks if that evil gets you when in human form versus say a rose, or a cockroach. ;)

 

[ABB]

That question of what happens after you die is what I just could not get past in catholic school. My brain kept coming back to, so are they really telling me that every Jewish person in the world is condemned to hell because they don't accept Jesus as their lord and savior? Because that would seem to be what they are implying. I need some decent logic in my beliefs and there was too much stuff you just had to accept or overlook for me to feel comfortable.

But this was a Roman Catholic school. There are all different kinds of christianity... I think the catholics like to delve a little deeper into the fear and guilt motivation than some others.

Totally.

Of all sects of Christianity, Catholics reside as the extremists. They were the first spin-off of Judaism, hence the Old and New Testament. God, as described in the Old Testament, was a brutal motherfucker. Future generations of Christians would largely abandon the Old Testament, as it's readings were rather hypocritical to the message being put forward.

 

[ABB]

There are people who believe Jesus was from a super advanced ancient civilization that took to space and that he was essentially giving a warning of, "we're letting you continue to be custodians of the planet, don't fuck it up because we'll be back".

I have no idea how to respond to that other than, if it brings you closer to living by Jesus' teachings I suppose that's a good thing? Though some of the theories get really far out there.

Now you're wandering into the Book of Enoch territory, which I've read. There's some wild shit in there, but I can't discount it and cast it aside as imagined ridiculousness as chuck councils have done over millennia. There's aligning information in there too. IIRC, Enoch was Noah's great grandfather and like 7th or 8th from Adam.

It would be quite easy to interpret his writings as having massive involvement with extra-terrestrials. In fact, I don't think you would be able to NOT interpret it that way. The descriptions he gives when he wrote that explain things that were thousands of years from being invented. Like electricity. How would someone explain lights that were not the sun or a fire? Enoch describes the alleged "spaceship" as a house of crystals. And how the fuck else would a dude from way back then describe that kind of technology?

 

[ABB]

I don't think my relationship with her changed drastically after what happened with my dad. I was never SUPER close with her or anything. I never called her weekly just to talk and told her all about my thoughts and feelings. Sometimes you just don't totally gel with people in your family and that's ok. I don't actually share a lot of deep personal info with anyone in my immediate family just because they all talk. What you say to one person goes to everyone. Something I learned the hard way. So for 20 years I just talk to my wife about those things. We never talk about each other's personal shit to anyone so there is enormous trust there. Addmitedly, I was pretty mad at her for a a good 5 years and what mostly changed is my perspective of my mom as a person. I lost a lot of respect for her over how things went with my dad but I'm not anymore distant than before.

But it's true, we all fuck up. I can forgive and move on pretty quickly for 99% of things. Disloyalty is a tough one for me though. A reasonable relationship is still there but sometimes you just can't look at someone the same way.

Your story stuck with me bc I had this situation about 10 years ago that still bothers me. My cousin, who was 4 months younger than me, died of breast cancer. Something happened between her and her mom and I still don't know what it was. Her parents, my uncle and aunt, had been long divorced when she died. Her mom, my aunt, tried to come visit her in the hospital in her final days and my cousin wouldn't allow her in and told the entire family that she didn't want her at her funeral. My uncle, who absolutely hated his ex-wife, practically begged her not to be like that and to see her mother but my cousin wouldn't budge from her stance.

Like I said, idk what happened but that situation really bothered me, and still does.

 

[osubuckeye4]

Now you're wandering into the Book of Enoch territory, which I've read. There's some wild shit in there, but I can't discount it and cast it aside as imagined ridiculousness as chuck councils have done over millennia. There's aligning information in there too. IIRC, Enoch was Noah's great grandfather and like 7th or 8th from Adam.

It would be quite easy to interpret his writings as having massive involvement with extra-terrestrials. In fact, I don't think you would be able to NOT interpret it that way. The descriptions he gives when he wrote that explain things that were thousands of years from being invented. Like electricity. How would someone explain lights that were not the sun or a fire? Enoch describes the alleged "spaceship" as a house of crystals. And how the fuck else would a dude from way back then describe that kind of technology?

I've never really got deep into any of that stuff because it's, at least for now, ultimately a dead end.

There's some interesting theories though that I've heard and been like, "man, that's way out there... but, it's not the dumbest thing I've ever heard".

I listened to the JD Vance episode of Joe Rogan's podcast and he was trying to defend his "demons" quote when asked about UFO's. His explanations weren't THAT from Book of Enoch stuff.

Again though... I don't pretend to know the answer to any of this stuff, and I really don't judge others who have come to their own conclusions.

Where I do feel the need to jump in is when people say things like Jesus was/is a gigantic hypocrite. I disagree with that and I feel like I have a decent amount of evidence for why I think that's off base and anyone who believes it should reconsider.

People are free to disagree with me though and I don't think it makes them bad or evil or anything.


Shit, before my grandpa passed away from pancreatic cancer I remember saying to him something about faith in God (he had always been a firm believer, so it wasn't like it was out of left field) and him looking at me and saying, "I no longer believe in God because no God would allow a human being to feel this much pain"

It broke my heart hearing it, but who am I to tell him he was wrong or to deny his pain?


(to be clear, he died a week or so after that conversation... I'm not trying to suggest it was some straight from a horror movie thing where those were his dying words and he flatlined in front of me immediately after saying it.)

 

[QuarterCircleForwardPunch]

I guess I didn't think the context mattered in this situation because a) he has no fiduciary duty to give an in depth discussion regarding competition as any conversation about competition is future looking and therefore has no fiduciary requirements and b) you asked about context due to the language used (as if not a native English speaker) and I was trying to help you understand that this example is not what you think it is and you should look elsewhere for a more clear opportunity to understand the language.

Or maybe I clearly misunderstood your question and should have kept my nose out of it. Either way, sorry for wasting your time.

And for the record, his fiduciary duty means he cannot put his personal interests ahead of the company of its shareholders, so honestly, as I think about this, there is no fiduciary duty at all in any conversation about competition, unless he is moonlighting for them which we know to be untrue (do we???). So again, if your request to assist with language is what you wanted, then my original point stands. It's a bad example.

Ok, fiduciary duty means the fiduciary must act soley to the benefit of the interest of the person or group in question. So no, he wouldn''t have to peovide an in depth breakdown but yes, in context, it wpuld be assumed he is required to be transparent to the shareholders on the company position. Sure I was mostly asking about sentence structure and pacing providing gramatical clues but seems no one wants to respond save for their opinions on the subject quoted and the situation surrounding it like you eroneously claiming he cannot admit they are competition so the sentence can't be broken down grammaticaly, so now we're apparentky talking about duty to shareholders

 

[osubuckeye4]

Ok, fiduciary duty means the fiduciary must act soley to the benefit of the interest of the person or group in question. So no, he wouldn''t have to peovide an in depth breakdown but yes, in context, it wpuld be assumed he is required to be transparent to the shareholders on the company position. Sure I was mostly asking about sentence structure and pacing providing gramatical clues but seems no one wants to respond save for their opinions on the subject quoted and the situation surrounding it like you eroneously claiming he cannot admit they are competition so the sentence can't be broken down grammaticaly, so now we're apparentky talking about duty to shareholders

I'm legitimately struggling to understand the grammar question.

I thought his words were pretty clear and broke them up as follows:

"I would say that clearly on an individual, standalone basis, these promotions, both MVP and PFL, were not necessarily sustainable,”

“Now they’ve come together, and we’ll see what they can conjure up."

"What we know is that competition has always made us stronger and a rising tide lifts all boats.”


1st sentence is very self-explanatory. MVP and PFL were assessed on their individual merits in the past and deemed to be unsustainable by the TKO brass.

2nd sentence means that TKO is waiting to see that the combined effort will amount to.

3rd sentence is a general statement reassuring shareholders that regardless of if MVP+PFL ends up being competition, that competition in the past has always been beneficial to the UFC and WWF (i.e. TKO)



As for the first sentence ending in a , instead of a .

I'm guessing that was the decision of the transcriber (which was probably some type of AI and which many media outlet ran with verbatim because they are just copy/pasting).

 

[osubuckeye4]

Worth pointing out that some other sites had a . at the end of the first sentence.

TKO's Mark Shapiro Weighs In On MVP/PFL Merger: "Competition’s Always Made Us Stronger"

TKO President and Chief Operating Officer Mark Shapiro spoke about the merger between PFL and Jake Paul's MVP.

www.fightful.com

“I would say clearly on an individual standalone basis, these promotions, both MVP and PFL, were not necessarily sustainable. Now they’ve come together and we’ll see what they can conjure up. What we know is that competition’s always made us stronger and a rising tide lifts all boats.”

 

[nubbynub76]

Indeed I am. I'm falling apart by the day lol.

Digirinos makes a gf pizza now. My wife says it isn't bad.

 

[nubbynub76]

It always bugged me when anyone affiliated with the Catholic church (nun, priest, CCD volunteer) would say with any kind of conviction that (insert anything) will or won't get you into heaven. They have no authority to make those kind of claims.

I find that statements like those come from taking individual sentences of scripture literally and ignoring the broader context.


It's the the whole idea of someone saying, "Well would you look at that! It says right here that the way to heaven is thru baptism and belief... I got baptized and here I am saying I believe in you, got that Jesus? Now I can do whatever I want and there's nothing you can do about it because you said so! Checkmate!!"

Yea.. it doesn't work that way lol. Baptism and believe was one thing he said, he said a whole lot of other stuff as well. Amongst those teachings was the fact that no one (especially me!) can tell you what will or won't get you into heaven or when your judgment will come. That decision is solely up to God, and God resides inside of us so it's essentially up to us to spread the word to follow the teachings of Christ as best we can and have faith that God will give us the nod when it's our time.

God is all up inside me?!? Damn buckey you got a little freaky with that last sentence. Blasphemy!!!!