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a-mart said:
@Tito Orcheese vice president to someone who changes his tweets and statements and views and actions on an hourly basis
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I'm with you here. If I was really into politics and someone asked me to be their VP candidate, I'd...fkn do it for the insider information that would jack-up my net worth. But, that comes at a price; you're basically a bitch-errand boy/scapegoat. Unless, of course, you're Dick Cheney.
 
JawboneOfAnAss said:
I have been Team Rubio 2028 since 2024.
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I think he's on record as saying he won't run if Vance is running (which he surely is). I hope he reconsiders. He seems eminently more qualified, experienced, likeable, competent, and electable. A Vance-Rubio doesn't make much sense; Rubio-Vance does, but I don't see any way Vance accepts a repeat as veep under a different guy (which hasn't happened for a couple of hundred years, to boot). I have no major problem with Vance, but Rubio has been absolutely killing it this term.
 
Brick said:
I think he's on record as saying he won't run if Vance is running (which he surely is). I hope he reconsiders. He seems eminently more qualified, experienced, likeable, competent, and electable. A Vance-Rubio doesn't make much sense; Rubio-Vance does, but I don't see any way Vance accepts a repeat as veep under a different guy (which hasn't happened for a couple of hundred years, to boot). I have no major problem with Vance, but Rubio has been absolutely killing it this term.
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Rubio / DeSantis!!
DeSantis is trying to get rid of property taxes!
Let us actually own or property.
 
Rhino78 said:
Rubio / DeSantis!!
DeSantis is trying to get rid of property taxes!
Let us actually own or property.
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There is a local push for that in my state. I am vehemently against it, because none of these "abolish property tax!" people seem to have any feasible alternative funding proposal. You know they aren't cutting spending, so the money is going to have to come from somewhere. More income tax on top of what we already pay? An increase in sales tax, which stifles spending and is quite regressive? Some kind of wealth tax that never makes any sense in real life?
 
Brick said:
There is a local push for that in my state. I am vehemently against it, because none of these "abolish property tax!" people seem to have any feasible alternative funding proposal. You know they aren't cutting spending, so the money is going to have to come from somewhere. More income tax on top of what we already pay? An increase in sales tax, which stifles spending and is quite regressive? Some kind of wealth tax that never makes any sense in real life?
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Agreed. It sounds good in theory, but those property taxes fund quite a bit of important stuff. That money will come from somewhere.
 
a-mart said:
They said they saved it by running FL efficiently or whatever
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That is a meaningless statement without specifics. For example, most, if not all, cities fund their schools with property taxes. You can't just magically fund your entire school system by cutting other departments. Their needs to be a tax base for that.
 
Eranys said:
That is a meaningless statement without specifics. For example, most, if not all, cities fund their schools with property taxes. You can't just magically find your entire school system by cutting other departments. Their needs to be a tax base for that.
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I know I just not gonna look for their real reasoning / details

Anyway it doesn't seem to be some state wide policy he has
 
Eranys said:
Agreed. It sounds good in theory, but those property taxes fund quite a bit of important stuff. That money will come from somewhere.
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I would rather pay more sales tax or income tax than pay property tax more than once. Land should be taxed once at the point of sale, and the idea that the government can put a lien on it for missed payments doesn't sit right with me.

Unfortunately, with less people becoming home owners, the odds of this being abolished shrinks every year.
 
Eranys said:
That is a meaningless statement without specifics. For example, most, if not all, cities fund their schools with property taxes. You can't just magically fund your entire school system by cutting other departments. Their needs to be a tax base for that.
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Brick said:
There is a local push for that in my state. I am vehemently against it, because none of these "abolish property tax!" people seem to have any feasible alternative funding proposal. You know they aren't cutting spending, so the money is going to have to come from somewhere. More income tax on top of what we already pay? An increase in sales tax, which stifles spending and is quite regressive? Some kind of wealth tax that never makes any sense in real life?
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I'm pretty sure lotto money go towards school funds.
DeSantis has mentioned (very socialist) putting a higher tax on the rich to offset property taxes. To be fair, I've heard some "rich" people say they would pay higher taxes if it actually helped out people. This would help, at least the elderly, stay in the homes.
 
a-mart said:
In fairness to him, he's sent to defend stuff he never wanted to be done all the time, but that was probably his real thoughts this time. Said the wrong things even if our extreme right ministers are definitely clowns
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Vance never wanted to go to war with Iran also, and now he was given the task to come up with an exit strategy (if you believe reports that he is the main architect for this MoU).
 
Rhino78 said:
I'm pretty sure lotto money go towards school funds.
DeSantis has mentioned (very socialist) putting a higher tax on the rich to offset property taxes. To be fair, I've heard some "rich" people say they would pay higher taxes if it actually helped out people. This would help, at least the elderly, stay in the homes.
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I hope they are more than pretty sure before proceeding with this. From what I found, lotto sales account for 5%-6% of the Florida schools budget.

Here's the breakdown:

Florida public schools are funded through a combination of local, state, and federal revenues, with the exact percentages shifting slightly each budget year depending on property valuations and policy updates. [1, 2, 3, 4]
According to the latest data from the Florida Department of Education and USAFacts reports, the broad percentage breakdown of K-12 education revenue includes 54.6% from local sources, 30.0% from state sources, and 15.4% from federal sources. [5]

The Revenue Source Breakdown​

<span> [ LOCAL SOURCES ] -------------------------&gt; 54.64% (Primarily Property Taxes)<br> [ STATE SOURCES ] -----------&gt; 29.97% (Sales Tax &amp; Lottery)<br> [ FEDERAL SOURCES ] ------&gt; 15.39% (Grants &amp; Assistance)<br></span>

1. Local Sources (54.64%)​

Local revenue represents the largest funding block for Florida school districts. [5, 7]

  • Property Taxes (Millage): The vast majority of local revenue comes from property taxes levied by individual county school boards. This includes the state-mandated Required Local Effort (RLE) millage rate and discretionary local millage rates. [1, 2, 8]
  • Local Option Sales Surtaxes: With voter approval, school boards can levy up to a 0.5% local sales tax exclusively for school infrastructure, technology, and building maintenance. [9]

2. State Sources (29.97%)​

The state of Florida uses general revenue and specific trust funds to supplement local property tax dollars. [10]

  • General Revenue (Sales Tax): Because Florida has no individual income tax, state education aid is heavily reliant on the state’s 6% general sales tax collections. [2, 11]
  • The Florida Lottery: A portion of ticket sales goes directly into the Educational Enhancement Trust Fund (EETF), which funds class size reduction initiatives, public school technology, and the Bright Futures Scholarship program. [10, 12]

3. Federal Sources (15.39%)​

Federal funds act as targeted relief or supplementary aid rather than foundational operational funding. [13, 14]

  • Title I Funding: Directed toward schools with high percentages of children from low-income families.
  • IDEA (Individuals with Disabilities Education Act): Funds allocated to assist with special education resources.
  • Child Nutrition Programs: Federal subsidies that support free and reduced-price school breakfast and lunch programs. [12, 15, 16]

How the Money is Distributed: The FEFP Formula​

To prevent rich counties from having lavishly funded schools and poor counties from falling behind, Florida channels state and local operational dollars through the Florida Education Finance Program (FEFP). [17, 18]

  1. The Equalization Goal: The FEFP uses a mathematically weighted formula to guarantee every student in Florida a base level of funding, regardless of their county's wealth. [17, 18, 19]
  2. Required Local Effort (RLE): The state calculates how much a county can afford to raise based on its total property values. [2]
  3. State Top-Off: Property-wealthy districts (like Walton or Monroe) generate most of their target budget through local taxes, requiring minimal state aid. Property-poor or rural districts (like Holmes or Hendry) cannot generate enough local property taxes, so the state fills in the gap with a much higher percentage of state sales-tax dollars. [2, 3]

Crucial Dynamic: The Voucher Shift​

When analyzing Florida's modern school funding landscape, it is critical to look at the Family Empowerment Scholarship (FES) program. Since Florida passed universal school choice vouchers, a growing portion of the state's K-12 budget—roughly 24% of total FEFP state funds—is rerouted away from traditional public school districts to fund private school tuition and homeschooling resources for over 500,000 students. [18, 20]
Are you looking to see how a specific Florida school district splits its funding, or do you need details on how charter schools receive their share of this revenue?

[1] https://flauditor.gov
[2] https://feaweb.org
[3] https://usafacts.org
[4] https://usafacts.org
[5] https://www.fldoe.org
[6] https://www.fldoe.org
[7] https://usafacts.org
[8] https://www.stepupforstudents.org
[9] https://funded.edbuild.org
[10] https://www.floridapolicy.org
[11] https://www.urban.org
[12] https://floridalottery.com
[13] https://usafacts.org
[14] https://www.woodcountyschoolswv.com
[15] https://usafacts.org
[16] https://www.ncsl.org
[17] https://feaweb.org
[18] https://www.floridapolicy.org
[19] https://study.com
[20] https://www.floridapolicy.org
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Over 50% comes from local property taxes. That's a pretty big hole to fill, but maybe a statewide income tax could cover it. I don't understand the economic situation there enough to say.

But what you said about taxing the rich to cover the gap, that's the same failed playbook from failing democratic cities. The rich can easily move, and will do so when taxed enough. I don't believe that there are enough philanthropic rich people to make up for the ones that will simply move to where those taxes aren't collected.
 
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