*UFC 137: Penn vs. Diaz: Official Discussion Thread*
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Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
anotherusername said:
Roop, because Japanese fighters tend to lose in the UFC (I know nothing about Roop or his opponent).
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Hioki is going to destroy Roop. I'm amazed at how under-estimated he is.
Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
Spud said:
anotherusername said:
Roop, because Japanese fighters tend to lose in the UFC (I know nothing about Roop or his opponent).
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Hioki is going to destroy Roop. I'm amazed at how under-estimated he is.
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Your average UFC only fans have no idea who he is.
Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
MacWombat said:
keystone said:
Wow people r still mad that gsp got outstruck by shields. Cant wait till condit kos gsp
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Condit's gonna break his orbital bone at GSP? Interesting strategy.
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What?
Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
keystone said:
MacWombat said:
keystone said:
Wow people r still mad that gsp got outstruck by shields. Cant wait till condit kos gsp
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Condit's gonna break his orbital bone at GSP? Interesting strategy.
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What?
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kos - koscheck wordplay
Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
I hope the eye poke (the "unintentional" way where fighters just keep their arms up with fingers pointing straight to the opponents face) discussed last page doesn't become a trend.
Shields, Jon Jones, Aldo, Maynard, all of them have done that, and those are just few of the big names i noticed doing so.
I think it really makes your opponent thinks twice before coming forward, for the risk of getting poked in the eye.
Only one who was really forbidden by the referee was Aldo, haven't noticed any warnings in the other fights.
Of course fighters won't have a fist closed the entire fight, they'll sprawl with their hands open for example, but still... i don't like it... do you think some kind of rule could help? :|
Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
Spud said:
keystone said:
Wow people r still mad that gsp got outstruck by shields. Cant wait till condit kos gsp
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What makes you think GSP will stand with Condit?
This is going to be a replica of the GSP Vs Hardy fight, but
with more GnP.
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It may look like a replica; in that, GSP takes this fight to the ground all day, but I would argue NBK is better on the ground than Hardy, which makes me think there will be less GnP, and a lot more stalling. Hopefully we get Herb Dean and he stands that s--- up.
Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
Spud said:
keystone said:
Wow people r still mad that gsp got outstruck by shields. Cant wait till condit kos gsp
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What makes you think GSP will stand with Condit?
This is going to be a replica of the GSP Vs Hardy fight, but with more GnP.
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Condit has much better TDD and ground game than Hardy. Will is be good enough to negate GSP's? I doubt it but comparing Condit to Hardy is a joke - Condit is a much better - and more complete - fighter.
Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
MDH said:
Spud said:
keystone said:
Wow people r still mad that gsp got outstruck by shields. Cant wait till condit kos gsp
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What makes you think GSP will stand with Condit?
This is going to be a replica of the GSP Vs Hardy fight, but with more GnP.
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Condit has much better TDD and ground game than Hardy. Will is be good enough to negate GSP's? I doubt it but comparing Condit to Hardy is a joke - Condit is a much better - and more complete - fighter.
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Condit might be a better fighter than Hardy, but GSP's approach to both fights is likely to be the same; take him down and keep him there.
Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
themmasupreme said:
Gonna money on Hioki, Cerrone, Jorgensen, Diaz,
Kongo
and still undecided with GSP/Condit.
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I'm taking Kongo as well, what do you think will be his keys to victory? I'm thinking cardio will be an issue for Matt, ( maybe I'm thinking this because he gets so sweaty) and Kongo takes this fight to the ground.
Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
FIGHTMAGNET said:
themmasupreme said:
Gonna money on Hioki, Cerrone, Jorgensen, Diaz,
Kongo
and still undecided with GSP/Condit.
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I'm taking Kongo as well, what do you think will be his keys to victory? I'm thinking cardio will be an issue for Matt, ( maybe I'm thinking this because he gets so sweaty) and Kongo takes this fight to the ground.
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Matt will look good at the start of the fight with his footwork then he'll fade IMO..... but I honestly think Kongo will try take this to the ground as soon as he gets the chance. It's a massive test for Mitrione this will decide where he stands in the HW Division plus I wanna see how his chin is will he be able to take a clean shot from Cheick I doubt it.
Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
themmasupreme said:
FIGHTMAGNET said:
themmasupreme said:
Gonna money on Hioki, Cerrone, Jorgensen, Diaz,
Kongo
and still undecided with GSP/Condit.
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I'm taking Kongo as well, what do you think will be his keys to victory? I'm thinking cardio will be an issue for Matt, ( maybe I'm thinking this because he gets so sweaty) and Kongo takes this fight to the ground.
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Matt will look good at the start of the fight with his footwork then he'll fade IMO..... but I honestly think Kongo will try take this to the ground as soon as he gets the chance. It's a massive test for Mitrione this will decide where he stands in the HW Division plus I wanna see how his chin is will he be able to take a clean shot from Cheick I doubt it.
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Yep, this fight will primarily be decided on the ground, poor Matt.
Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
My picks
Main Card'
GSP
vs Condit Dec
Nick Diaz vs
BJ Penn
3rd round Sub
Check Kongo
vs Matt Mitrione 2nd round KO
Roy Nelson vs
Cro Cop
Decision
Hatsu Hioki
vs George Roop 2nd round Sub
Spike TV
Donald Cerrone
vs Dennis Siver Dec
Tyson Griffin
vs Bar Palaszewski Dec
Prelims
Scott Jorgensen
vs Jeff Curran dec
Brad Tavares
vs Dustin Jacoby dec
Brandon Vera
vs Elliot Marshall dec
Rasey Nijem
vs Danny Downs 3rd round sub
Chris Camozzi vs
Francis Carmont
1st round sub
Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
MDH said:
Spud said:
keystone said:
Wow people r still mad that gsp got outstruck by shields. Cant wait till condit kos gsp
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What makes you think GSP will stand with Condit?
This is going to be a replica of the GSP Vs Hardy fight, but with more GnP.
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Condit has much better TDD and ground game than Hardy. Will is be good enough to negate GSP's? I doubt it but comparing Condit to Hardy is a joke - Condit is a much better - and more complete - fighter.
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Condit has pretty bad TDD. Someone posted the stats on page 3 of this thread I think, his TDD is at something like 40%. And since he's been in the UFC, he's never actually faced a wrestler.
Condit may have a good ground game, but GSP has one of the best top games in MMA. Don't forget he easily beat Alves on the ground, took Fitch down when he wanted & controlled him, and beat BJ Penn on the ground too. Condits best chance is a hail mary flying knee as GSP shoots in for a TD, and he's going to have 5 chances, at the start of every round.
Re: *UFC 137: St. Pierre vs. Condit Official Discussion Thre
Spud said:
Condit may have a good ground game, but GSP has one of the best top games in MMA. Don't forget he easily beat Alves on the ground, took Fitch down when he wanted & controlled him, and beat BJ Penn on the ground too. Condits best chance is a hail mary flying knee as GSP shoots in for a TD, and he's going to have 5 chances, at the start of every round.
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Out of those, i'd compare only BJ Penn's with Condit's game from his back. But BJ Penn definetly lacked the strenght to fight a much bigger guy in gsp.
Not saying Condit will be a lot different, but i believe he can do better than all of those, he is really active from his back. And as far as i remember, Alves got back to his feet quite a few times (but wouldn't take long for gsp to take him down again
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That being said, i agree that his only chance is still a Ko/tko, but i think he'll have more than 5 opportunities...