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nubbynub76 said:
Usually direa the same night. Sometimes it waits till morning.
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same xD
And the internet sees it the same way:
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But some people can just eat it without trouble, i never understood how.
 
QuarterCircleForwardPunch said:
Hey, interesting question. While not explicitely christian facing, bands like Paramore and Evanesance are christian bands who do rock music. Was this known and did they have a pass or were they regardless only degen generation bands.

At the time they came out, I didn't know these things, both bands missed the time they may have appealed to me. I thought both singers were legit talents but outside of key singles I didn't pay attention. Decades later I saw them talking similar points to "we were not christian rock, but we were always christians making rock"
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I never listened to Paramore but Evanescence definitely got the the Christian stamp of approval. The "Wake Me Up Song" features the lead singer of 12 Stones Paul McCoy. Another band that Christians attempted to adopt.

Creed and Chevelle are two more that Christians claimed. Heck, we sometimes sang "What's This Life For" in youth group. Needless to say, Christian youths bent over backwards to convince themselves and their parents a band was Christian. I did manage to have the first 3 Creed albums when they came out in my late teens and listened to them on repeat.
 
Sedulous said:
I never listened to Paramore but Evanescence definitely got the the Christian stamp of approval. The "Wake Me Up Song" features the lead singer of 12 Stones Paul McCoy. Another band that Christians attempted to adopt.

Creed and Chevelle are two more that Christians claimed. Heck, we sometimes sang "What's This Life For" in youth group. Needless to say, Christian youths bent over backwards to convince themselves and their parents a band was Christian. I did manage to have the first 3 Creed albums when they came out in my late teens and listened to them on repeat.
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You know who is a self proclaimed Christian? Tom Araya. Lead singer of Slayer. Someone should adopt Slayer as a Christian band lolol.
 
bconcrete said:
Random question, do you feel like the hardcore Christian upbringing is what turned you off of it?
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No definitely not. I went to Bible College and got a theology degree. I almost got into youth ministry. Go to my early forum posts and you can find signs I was definitely still a believer. It was around 30 that I started listening to arguments against organized religion in an effort to be better equipped to refute them. However, that just exposed how easily my beliefs fell apart under scrutiny. Then I noticed a LOT of hypocrisy among church goers and particularly church leadership. I just soured on it. Giving it up was freeing though. No more guilt over this or that. No more praying and hoping something happened. No more mental gymnastics to make sense of biblical contradictions. I realized I had to rely on myself to make things happen in my life. That was empowering. Scary, but empowering.

The Christian upbringing is just something I laugh at now.
 
Sedulous said:
So is Brian Welch from Korn. I'm certain some believers have used that to feel better about liking their music.
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Ya... he actually left Korn to form a Christian band called Love and Faith. I have no idea what they sounds like though.
 
bconcrete said:
Another one of those bands: Skillet. And they fuckin JAM. Legit have several bangers.
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Skillet is a for real Christian band. I listened to them a ton and the lyrics of their early albums are overtly Christian. I stopped listening in the early 2000s and was shocked that they exploded into mainstream popularity years later. They have billions of listens on Spotify. That's crazy to me.
 
Sedulous said:
No definitely not. I went to Bible College and got a theology degree. I almost got into youth ministry. Go to my early forum posts and you can find signs I was definitely still a believer. It was around 30 that I started listening to arguments against organized religion in an effort to be better equipped to refute them. However, that just exposed how easily my beliefs fell apart under scrutiny. Then I noticed a LOT of hypocrisy among church goers and particularly church leadership. I just soured on it. Giving it up was freeing though. No more guilt over this or that. No more praying and hoping something happened. No more mental gymnastics to make sense of biblical contradictions. I realized I had to rely on myself to make things happen in my life. That was empowering. Scary, but empowering.

The Christian upbringing is just something I laugh at now.
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You know that one that used to get me? They teach all this stuff about love and forgiveness and how anything can be overcome and forgiven through the lord. Unless you happen to not believe in him or the institution. In which case, no matter how good of a life you lived or how many people you helped on earth you are condemn to an eternity in hell.

Ha... so Mr love and forgiveness has an ego so big that the one thing he can't forgive is you not claiming him as the ultimate in everything everywhere? lol. That completely contradicts absolutely everything the religion teaches you about being a good person and everything about forgiveness. So god will accept a serial killer into heaven just because he accepted him as the lord (after murdering 25 people), but he'll condemn me to hell because I didn't, even if I saved 100 impoverished children during my lifetime?

Possibly the most hypocritical thing I've ever heard. The guy is ultimate benevolence and forgiving of any sin... except wounding his ego. There's no coming back from that.
 
Sedulous said:
No definitely not. I went to Bible College and got a theology degree. I almost got into youth ministry. Go to my early forum posts and you can find signs I was definitely still a believer. It was around 30 that I started listening to arguments against organized religion in an effort to be better equipped to refute them. However, that just exposed how easily my beliefs fell apart under scrutiny. Then I noticed a LOT of hypocrisy among church goers and particularly church leadership. I just soured on it. Giving it up was freeing though. No more guilt over this or that. No more praying and hoping something happened. No more mental gymnastics to make sense of biblical contradictions. I realized I had to rely on myself to make things happen in my life. That was empowering. Scary, but empowering.

The Christian upbringing is just something I laugh at now.
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cmvideo75 said:
You know that one that used to get me? They teach all this stuff about love and forgiveness and how anything can be overcome and forgiven through the lord. Unless you happen to not believe in him or the institution. In which case, no matter how good of a life you lived or how many people you helped on earth you are condemn to an eternity in hell.

Ha... so Mr love and forgiveness has an ego so big that the one thing he can't forgive is you not claiming him as the ultimate in everything everywhere? lol. That completely contradicts absolutely everything the religion teaches you about being a good person and everything about forgiveness. So god will accept a serial killer into heaven just because he accepted him as the lord (after murdering 25 people), but he'll condemn me to hell because I didn't, even if I saved 100 impoverished children during my lifetime?

Possibly the most hypocritical thing I've ever heard. The guy is ultimate benevolence and forgiving of any sin... except wounding his ego. There's no coming back from that.
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Yea that's a big one. One that got me is Stephen Fry's point about it not being possible for a god to be both all loving and all powerful with the way the world is. If he's all powerful, explain childhood leukemia or the other horrific things that happen to purely innocent children. He'd have to be cruel to be able to prevent those things and choose not to. If he's truly all loving then not preventing so many atrocities means he must not be capable and therefore not all powerful.
 
Sedulous said:
Yea that's a big one. One that got me is Stephen Fry's point about it not being possible for a god to be both all loving and all powerful with the way the world is. If he's all powerful, explain childhood leukemia or the other horrific things that happen to purely innocent children. He'd have to be cruel to be able to prevent those things and choose not to. If he's truly all loving then not preventing so many atrocities means he must not be capable and therefore not all powerful.
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But he has a plan! It's all part of the plan for us. Trust in the plan you heathen!
 
Sedulous said:
Skillet is a for real Christian band. I listened to them a ton and the lyrics of their early albums are overtly Christian. I stopped listening in the early 2000s and was shocked that they exploded into mainstream popularity years later. They have billions of listens on Spotify. That's crazy to me.
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They're a really good rock band! I have several of their songs on my playlist and they go hard.

My favorite quote about Christian rock came from King of The Hill. "You're not making Christianity better, you're just making rock and roll worse!"

That's true for 99% of the bands but, I gotta say, Skillet is an exception.
 
bconcrete said:
They're a really good rock band! I have several of their songs on my playlist and they go hard.

My favorite quote about Christian rock came from King of The Hill. "You're not making Christianity better, you're just making rock and roll worse!"

That's true for 99% of the bands but, I gotta say, Skillet is an exception.
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OK, I just went to YouTube to check them out. They definitely sound like an early 2000s band for sure. They fit right in with that style. The drummer is pretty hot.
 
bconcrete said:
They're a really good rock band! I have several of their songs on my playlist and they go hard.

My favorite quote about Christian rock came from King of The Hill. "You're not making Christianity better, you're just making rock and roll worse!"

That's true for 99% of the bands but, I gotta say, Skillet is an exception.
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I like their second album from 98. Maybe because I listened to it constantly as a 14-15 year old. Not crazy about their newer stuff personally but I get it.

A few other acts to check out if you haven't already that started Christian, are decent, and found some mainstream success are MxPx, P.O.D, Thousand Foot Krutch, Grits, and Switchfoot.
 
how's your mom doing @Sedulous ? I remember the story you told about your dad, that one stayed with me.
 
bconcrete said:
What's really jumped out at me reading the responses is that people seem to be picking the leadership they see the least in their chosen fields, and it's almost fitting the stereotypes.

I'm in corpo-hell, and I want to see ownership, because no owns shit in corpo-world. ABB is in the trades and wants to see more humility because everyone is the biggest beat expert there is in the trades and everyone else is a moron. Webs and others are in sales and want to see more of a team-first leadership in the cutthroat world of quotas and commissions. People like FHB who don't feel seen by their bosses want more awareness and empathy.

Idk what it says exactly but it's just very interesting to me to see people gravitate towards what they perceived as lacking.
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van Dijke, M., De Cremer, D., Langendijk, G., & Anderson, C. (2018). Ranking low, feeling high: How hierarchical position and experienced power promote prosocial behavior in response to procedural justice. Journal of Applied Psychology, 103(2), 164–181. https://doi.org/10.1037/apl0000260 [repub.eur.nl] It's a good article written in practical terms and mirrors the theories and evidence that have been so well explained by Sapolsky et al. who showed the same thing applies to apes and can be predicted and read by taking hormone samples.
Basically people react well when they feel like they have a worthwhile presence and are more inclined to take constructive advice well in such an atmosphere. Then they continue to engage more peacefully and with good intentions. Real trickle down kindness.
This is a tough thing to do under stress, so I think staying healthy and staying calm is really important. In my various micro leadership roles like in a band, or classroom or at home IDK if I always did a great job of the staying calm bit but I've always made it my aim because I realize its importance.
Always striving to do better in this area.
 
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