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Round 1
"MMA in Movies/TV"
Pick a scene from a movie or show that has the most accurate depiction of MMA, based on technique or lack of technique.
+2 bonus if the movie or show does not fall into the Martial Arts genre according to imdb.com main page
+2 bonus if the scene has a musical score that the judges like or think enhances the scene
1. @Smartigan
The Bourne Ultimatum- Bourne vs Desh Fight Scene
I've gone with a fight scene from The Bourne Ultimatum
The scene shows a high level of MMA, from wrist control, to striking, striking defence to grappling and the fight ending with a choke with a towel which isn't too far away from a gi lapel choke
No tag of MA
Music is before the fight so it's up to judges if that adds to the fight scene
cmvideo75: An ok selection. The fight had a lot of other stuff going on besides MMA moves so that detracts from the MMA-ness of it. But there was some nice striking and wrist control being used. Had this scored a 6 but bumped it up a point for providing the IMDB link. Excellent move. 2 points for IMDB but no music so no bonus there. 7 score + 2 IMDB + 0 Music = 9 total
webble: ok so this was quite the build up with the chase scene, I could have done with less of that and more actual fighting but I know its hard to find clips so I will forgive that and mentally gave extra kudos for not making me go search for it on imdb. Once I got to the actual fights it felt planned but correctly planned the actual block punch techniques were correct, along with the wrist locks, the throwing objects was a bit meh I would give this 6, plus 2 points for not being under the mma heading, I am not counting the music as it was before the actual fight and wasn’t that musical so total 8
Goodcat: This one didn't really hit for me, no pun intended.... It kinda felt like your write up was you trying to convince yourself that this fight scene had MMA elements in it. You even mentioned at the end the towel choke was not too far off from a gi lapel choke. Idk, this was a pretty basic action movie fight scene for me. You do get the +2 for it not being tagged as Martial Arts, but also the music didn't do anything ether. 5.5 actual but 7.5 with the extra two
Brick: When have you ever in your entire life seen an MMA fight that has played out even remotely like this nonsense? Even a step further, for those who do or have trained/fought, have you ever had a session that looks anything like this? The answers to those questions are “never” and “no.” We were looking for “most accurate depiction” here, not “most over the top, jump-cut nonsense depiction.” Bourne fight scenes are notorious for being ridiculous but entertaining silliness, which is what we have here. 3/10 for the fight, +2 for the no MA tag on imdb, and zero points for music. Total 5/10.
Total: 29.5
2. @ABB
Here comes the Boom-Training Scene
Here Comes the Boom came out in 2012 and servers as a midway checkpoint along the MMA path. It's been 14 years since this movie debuted, and for 14 years prior to 2012 MMA had set out on a serious path towards legitimacy.
A high school music teacher needs $48k to keep his music class funded. He hears that MMA fighters make $10k per fight so he decides to begin training to get 5 paid fights in. Unfortunately MMA wasn't where it was today, so the trainer he needs to help him (Bas Ruten) has to be pried from the jaws of spin classes and combat dressed jazzercise for the elderly.
That's where MMA was in 2012. It was still quite the underground affair, even though Georges St. Pierre was the biggest star and bringing attention to the sport from athletes of other sports. This was one of the first successful movies to be centered around MMA. In order to get an MMA workout you had to find a standard gym that had an MMA instructor who could gather enough participants in this novel, violent sport.
The soundtrack featured Nelly, Godsmack, and Neil Diamond. The film is significant because people became a little more open to MMA once the topic was in the theaters. This was a realistic snapshot of where MMA was at that time and how far it has come since.
cmvideo75: A good selection here. I mean they are training MMA submissions showing them done well and poorly. This pretty covers both ends of the 'technique or lack of technique' aspect. It's not showing any other forms of fighting either. It is an MA movie though so you lose the IMDB bonus. And not much to the music here either. Low hanging fruit but that's what gets you by early on. 9 score + 0 IMDB + 0 Music = 9 total
webble: I haven’t actually seen this film and now I kind of want to, there were parts that were correct, there were parts that weren’t, I think because it was training I found myself focusing on the submissions, was the arm part past the joint etc and it was pretty good. I would give this 7, no points for not being IMDB and music wasn’t very exciting so total 7
Goodcat: Pretty good clip. I know of this movie but never saw it. I like this coming from a comedy aspect instead of having to be a dead serious, life or death situation. We got a double leg and some ground n pound, a heel hook, arm bar, and while the choke wasn't technically a rear naked, Bas did explain the correct way to defend it. Unfortunately no extra 2 points as Martial Arts is literally the first tag, and the music IMO doesn't really do anything either. 8/10
Brick: Not great. You had Bas, so of course the technique was just fine, as it should be. But no intro MMA instruction course would go remotely like this, with the instructor putting a brand new guy in submission after submission and choking them out. So, for what the scene was, I didn’t find it to be accurate. Get a few points more than Bourne because at least there were real techniques here, so 5/10 for that, but no points because there was Martial Arts tag on imdb, and none for music as I didn’t hear any music during this cheese-fest that “enhances the scene,” so final score of 5/10.
Total: 29
3. @MMAFTM13
Landman-Cooper Fights Back in Ambush
In Taylor Sheridans TV drama Landman, Cooper Norris, played by Jacob Lofland gets attacked by two oil field workers, who blame him for the tragic rig explosion that claimed the lives of their relatives,
coworkers and have utter resentment for his growing closeness to Ariana, the widow of one of the victims.
Cooper is portrayed in the early going of the show as a seemingly soft, scrawny kid who surprises everyone with his fighting skills, but he reveals that he had a background in wrestling and was part of the wrestling team for Texas Tech University. Mentioning later also that he had an athletic scholarship and has trained in Brazilian Jujitsu.
After getting punched by both men, Cooper gets a super quick, double leg takedown on one of his much larger attackers(reminiscent of earlier MMA when there were no weight classes and had to face bigger opponents), instant back take with hooks in, locking in a slick, rear naked choke, putting the man to sleep and skillfully takes the man from the back holding the gun down swiftly, which would perfectly explain how he was able to execute the moves so quickly and efficiently, taking complete control in showcasing a realistic MMA-inspired fight scene with a musical score in the background.
Although the fight sequence wasent long, there was still an accurate depiction of MMA, demonstrating Coopers technical prowess, previous combat experience in a way that seamlessly blended his wrestling and Jujitsu together, making the beginning of the scene intense and authentic.
cmvideo75: Oooh, this is a good one. The skinny guy uses only MMA techniques to defend himself and subdue 2 larger opponents. The only downside it the fight is so short. Otherwise great entry with the 2 point IMDB bonus. 9 score + 2 IMDB + 0 Music = 11 total
webble: I liked this, the terminology of the arts and moves was all over the place and inaccurate but the technique wasn’t bad and incorporated striking, wrestling and jitz so the arts were indeed mixed. I feel like there could have been more injury from slamming the second guy into the dirt the way he did but other wise good choice. I would give this 7 points, plus 2 for not being mma music was meh, I want a soundtrack gooddamit! Total 9 points
Goodcat: This one was short and sweet. The scoop from the double leg reminded me of Matt Hughes vs Carlos Newton a bit. Nice rear naked with the hooks in as well. Also get the +2 for the tag, but again the music doesn't really add anything to the scene for me. 7/10 actual but 9/10 with the extra two
Brick: Not bad! I watched this show and I remember at the time thinking “solid technique.” Hand behind the head on the RNC could have been a little deeper but that’s a quibble. Charging a man who had just put his gun away was stupid AF, but that’s more of dumb plot point than an MMA issue. As you said, but was a bit short, but if we’re talking “accurate depiction,” most such fights are quite short, especially if one person has training and the other doesn’t. 7.5/10 for the fight, plus 2 for no MA tag, but nothing for music as it was just generic background stock music and didn’t really add anything. Total 9.5/10.
Total: 38.5
4. darkwingduck
Unbreakable- Orange Man Fight Scene
I'm gonna go with an accurate depiction of MMA, from a lack of technique standpoint. Here we see what would've been an easy rear naked choke on an unsuspecting and vulnerable target, who completely left his neck exposed, turned into quite a struggle. All because Bruce Willis' character failed to control the body with leg hooks on a bigger opponent. Bruce Willis struggled to secure the choke as his body was flailing everywhere from the bigger guy trying to shake him off. He finally got the choke and probably neck snap when the guy tired out and relented. You can make a case Bruce Willis was just playing with his food, instead of quickly putting this guy's light out with a well executed RNC. He gave this murderer a taste of the same torment, that he gave his victims. But the lesson is all the same, get those leg hooks in.
cmvideo75: The write up helped save a point here. I like the effort to explain how the lack of hooks made this fight much longer than needed. But otherwise it is a pretty lame fight and pretty unrealistic. One guy has no idea how to sink in a choke and the other guy is wiggling like an idiot and throwing back elbows lol. Not much MMA other than a guy holding onto a choke for dear life. 6 score + 2 IMDB + 0 Music = 8 total
webble: I want to take a point away from this for reminding me about Bruce and making me sad that he is poorly ( but I wont ) This was a fantastic example of how a write up really carries an entry, I wouldn’t have thought as much of it but the write up explained not only why they had chosen it and explained it was the lack of technique but also said how it could be better. Real thinking outside the box and some education too so for that I give it 8 points plus 2 for not being mma total 10 points
Goodcat: I'm a little more partial to this movie, as it's one of my favorite Shamalamadingdong movies. It's hard to take the lack of technique approach and make it work, cause that usually ends up looking like one of the other clips that got submitted, lol. But in this case, you can clearly see the makings of an actual RNC, he just has that lack of training to really know how to sink it in. You also get the 2 points for the category, but nothing from me on the music. 7 actual but 9/10 with the bonus
Brick: Interesting take. When I saw that “accurate depiction” would include either technique (duh) or lack of technique, I wasn’t really sure what the latter meant exactly. But I think you nailed it; that RNC technique was terrible, but nine out of ten movies would have still had him choking that guy out in like 5 seconds, so this scene did indeed show that bad technique is not effective (plus it made sense in context because Bruce’s character had no martial arts training that we’re aware of, as I recall). It probably still would not have worked even at the end, but I guess keeping in mind that this is a super-hero movie and he’s got mad strength, in context it’s a bit better. 7/10 for scene, plus 2 for no MA tag, but again the movie was just generic background stuff that added nothing. Total 9/10 for the unorthodox and risky “bad technique” submission.
5. @Rickyc123
The Inbetweeners-Jay fights Simon
The fight between Jay and Simon in The Inbetweeners Movie is a good depiction of what a fight between two untrained combatants looks like in real life. It starts off with a with a striking exchange where Jay utilises a good use of head movement to dodge his opponents attack. It then devolves into a grappling match pretty much straight away like most fights do in real life unlike what some movies may show you. Simon and Jay are grappling for dominant position each trying to keep their head higher than their opponent trying to utilise their clinch to the best of their ability. And like most real fights, the combatants gas out right away.
I believe this fight is an accurate depiction of MMA between 2 untrained fighters in real life, it isn't a back and forth slugfest lasting 8 minutes before someome gets the knockout blow like most Hollwood flicks would make you think. Its an attempt at striking (no feints, no guards, no stances) quickly devolving to grappling and then it's over as nobody has the cardio to keep a fight going for longer than 2 minutes in real life.
cmvideo75: LOL funny entry here. The brief fight they do have does show a grappling exchange. Otherwise it is super short and doesn't show much else. But I do like how the write up sells the head position and the fighters gassing lol. Another example where the write up earns an extra point for the clip, otherwise this is probably a 5 or 6 level clip on it's own for the category. 7 score + 2 IMDB + 0 Music = 9 total
webble: I was NOT expecting this and it was brilliant ( off topic fun fact I once rode my horse on the beach past the set of the inbetweeners when they were filming near me ). Again this is another entry where the write up has explained it all perfectly and really added to the clip. I agree technique wise it was awful but totally depicted a realistic scrap you would see, I’m not sure it really counted as mma so another 8 points plus 2 for not being mma total 10 points
Goodcat: Ah yes, the accurate MMA technique of a nut flick lol. This one is more in line with the Bourne clip to where it's just a movie fight. I will give it credit for being an accurate real life fight between skinny white dudes with no training, but IMO, there is nothing even resembling MMA in this. Maybe the head movement at the start, but the "grappling" is just two guys trying to get each other in a headlock but neither one can actually do it. You do at least get the extra 2 ponts. 5 actual and 7/10 with the extra credit.
Brick: Having real trouble talking myself into thinking this is any representation of MMA, with or without technique. The Unbreakable clip, for example, Bruce was definitely trying for an RNC but didn’t know how to really do it so he made it a lot harder on himself; that was at least an MMA technique. This…there really just wasn’t much of anything, a missed punch and then a big hug. You went for it, but it didn’t land for me. 2/10, plus 2 for no MA tag, no points for music, so 4/10.
Total: 30
"MMA in Movies/TV"
Pick a scene from a movie or show that has the most accurate depiction of MMA, based on technique or lack of technique.
+2 bonus if the movie or show does not fall into the Martial Arts genre according to imdb.com main page
+2 bonus if the scene has a musical score that the judges like or think enhances the scene
1. @Smartigan
The Bourne Ultimatum- Bourne vs Desh Fight Scene
I've gone with a fight scene from The Bourne Ultimatum
The scene shows a high level of MMA, from wrist control, to striking, striking defence to grappling and the fight ending with a choke with a towel which isn't too far away from a gi lapel choke
No tag of MA
Music is before the fight so it's up to judges if that adds to the fight scene
cmvideo75: An ok selection. The fight had a lot of other stuff going on besides MMA moves so that detracts from the MMA-ness of it. But there was some nice striking and wrist control being used. Had this scored a 6 but bumped it up a point for providing the IMDB link. Excellent move. 2 points for IMDB but no music so no bonus there. 7 score + 2 IMDB + 0 Music = 9 total
webble: ok so this was quite the build up with the chase scene, I could have done with less of that and more actual fighting but I know its hard to find clips so I will forgive that and mentally gave extra kudos for not making me go search for it on imdb. Once I got to the actual fights it felt planned but correctly planned the actual block punch techniques were correct, along with the wrist locks, the throwing objects was a bit meh I would give this 6, plus 2 points for not being under the mma heading, I am not counting the music as it was before the actual fight and wasn’t that musical so total 8
Goodcat: This one didn't really hit for me, no pun intended.... It kinda felt like your write up was you trying to convince yourself that this fight scene had MMA elements in it. You even mentioned at the end the towel choke was not too far off from a gi lapel choke. Idk, this was a pretty basic action movie fight scene for me. You do get the +2 for it not being tagged as Martial Arts, but also the music didn't do anything ether. 5.5 actual but 7.5 with the extra two
Brick: When have you ever in your entire life seen an MMA fight that has played out even remotely like this nonsense? Even a step further, for those who do or have trained/fought, have you ever had a session that looks anything like this? The answers to those questions are “never” and “no.” We were looking for “most accurate depiction” here, not “most over the top, jump-cut nonsense depiction.” Bourne fight scenes are notorious for being ridiculous but entertaining silliness, which is what we have here. 3/10 for the fight, +2 for the no MA tag on imdb, and zero points for music. Total 5/10.
Total: 29.5
2. @ABB
Here comes the Boom-Training Scene
Here Comes the Boom came out in 2012 and servers as a midway checkpoint along the MMA path. It's been 14 years since this movie debuted, and for 14 years prior to 2012 MMA had set out on a serious path towards legitimacy.
A high school music teacher needs $48k to keep his music class funded. He hears that MMA fighters make $10k per fight so he decides to begin training to get 5 paid fights in. Unfortunately MMA wasn't where it was today, so the trainer he needs to help him (Bas Ruten) has to be pried from the jaws of spin classes and combat dressed jazzercise for the elderly.
That's where MMA was in 2012. It was still quite the underground affair, even though Georges St. Pierre was the biggest star and bringing attention to the sport from athletes of other sports. This was one of the first successful movies to be centered around MMA. In order to get an MMA workout you had to find a standard gym that had an MMA instructor who could gather enough participants in this novel, violent sport.
The soundtrack featured Nelly, Godsmack, and Neil Diamond. The film is significant because people became a little more open to MMA once the topic was in the theaters. This was a realistic snapshot of where MMA was at that time and how far it has come since.
cmvideo75: A good selection here. I mean they are training MMA submissions showing them done well and poorly. This pretty covers both ends of the 'technique or lack of technique' aspect. It's not showing any other forms of fighting either. It is an MA movie though so you lose the IMDB bonus. And not much to the music here either. Low hanging fruit but that's what gets you by early on. 9 score + 0 IMDB + 0 Music = 9 total
webble: I haven’t actually seen this film and now I kind of want to, there were parts that were correct, there were parts that weren’t, I think because it was training I found myself focusing on the submissions, was the arm part past the joint etc and it was pretty good. I would give this 7, no points for not being IMDB and music wasn’t very exciting so total 7
Goodcat: Pretty good clip. I know of this movie but never saw it. I like this coming from a comedy aspect instead of having to be a dead serious, life or death situation. We got a double leg and some ground n pound, a heel hook, arm bar, and while the choke wasn't technically a rear naked, Bas did explain the correct way to defend it. Unfortunately no extra 2 points as Martial Arts is literally the first tag, and the music IMO doesn't really do anything either. 8/10
Brick: Not great. You had Bas, so of course the technique was just fine, as it should be. But no intro MMA instruction course would go remotely like this, with the instructor putting a brand new guy in submission after submission and choking them out. So, for what the scene was, I didn’t find it to be accurate. Get a few points more than Bourne because at least there were real techniques here, so 5/10 for that, but no points because there was Martial Arts tag on imdb, and none for music as I didn’t hear any music during this cheese-fest that “enhances the scene,” so final score of 5/10.
Total: 29
3. @MMAFTM13
Landman-Cooper Fights Back in Ambush
coworkers and have utter resentment for his growing closeness to Ariana, the widow of one of the victims.
Cooper is portrayed in the early going of the show as a seemingly soft, scrawny kid who surprises everyone with his fighting skills, but he reveals that he had a background in wrestling and was part of the wrestling team for Texas Tech University. Mentioning later also that he had an athletic scholarship and has trained in Brazilian Jujitsu.
After getting punched by both men, Cooper gets a super quick, double leg takedown on one of his much larger attackers(reminiscent of earlier MMA when there were no weight classes and had to face bigger opponents), instant back take with hooks in, locking in a slick, rear naked choke, putting the man to sleep and skillfully takes the man from the back holding the gun down swiftly, which would perfectly explain how he was able to execute the moves so quickly and efficiently, taking complete control in showcasing a realistic MMA-inspired fight scene with a musical score in the background.
Although the fight sequence wasent long, there was still an accurate depiction of MMA, demonstrating Coopers technical prowess, previous combat experience in a way that seamlessly blended his wrestling and Jujitsu together, making the beginning of the scene intense and authentic.
cmvideo75: Oooh, this is a good one. The skinny guy uses only MMA techniques to defend himself and subdue 2 larger opponents. The only downside it the fight is so short. Otherwise great entry with the 2 point IMDB bonus. 9 score + 2 IMDB + 0 Music = 11 total
webble: I liked this, the terminology of the arts and moves was all over the place and inaccurate but the technique wasn’t bad and incorporated striking, wrestling and jitz so the arts were indeed mixed. I feel like there could have been more injury from slamming the second guy into the dirt the way he did but other wise good choice. I would give this 7 points, plus 2 for not being mma music was meh, I want a soundtrack gooddamit! Total 9 points
Goodcat: This one was short and sweet. The scoop from the double leg reminded me of Matt Hughes vs Carlos Newton a bit. Nice rear naked with the hooks in as well. Also get the +2 for the tag, but again the music doesn't really add anything to the scene for me. 7/10 actual but 9/10 with the extra two
Brick: Not bad! I watched this show and I remember at the time thinking “solid technique.” Hand behind the head on the RNC could have been a little deeper but that’s a quibble. Charging a man who had just put his gun away was stupid AF, but that’s more of dumb plot point than an MMA issue. As you said, but was a bit short, but if we’re talking “accurate depiction,” most such fights are quite short, especially if one person has training and the other doesn’t. 7.5/10 for the fight, plus 2 for no MA tag, but nothing for music as it was just generic background stock music and didn’t really add anything. Total 9.5/10.
Total: 38.5
4. darkwingduck
Unbreakable- Orange Man Fight Scene
cmvideo75: The write up helped save a point here. I like the effort to explain how the lack of hooks made this fight much longer than needed. But otherwise it is a pretty lame fight and pretty unrealistic. One guy has no idea how to sink in a choke and the other guy is wiggling like an idiot and throwing back elbows lol. Not much MMA other than a guy holding onto a choke for dear life. 6 score + 2 IMDB + 0 Music = 8 total
webble: I want to take a point away from this for reminding me about Bruce and making me sad that he is poorly ( but I wont ) This was a fantastic example of how a write up really carries an entry, I wouldn’t have thought as much of it but the write up explained not only why they had chosen it and explained it was the lack of technique but also said how it could be better. Real thinking outside the box and some education too so for that I give it 8 points plus 2 for not being mma total 10 points
Goodcat: I'm a little more partial to this movie, as it's one of my favorite Shamalamadingdong movies. It's hard to take the lack of technique approach and make it work, cause that usually ends up looking like one of the other clips that got submitted, lol. But in this case, you can clearly see the makings of an actual RNC, he just has that lack of training to really know how to sink it in. You also get the 2 points for the category, but nothing from me on the music. 7 actual but 9/10 with the bonus
Brick: Interesting take. When I saw that “accurate depiction” would include either technique (duh) or lack of technique, I wasn’t really sure what the latter meant exactly. But I think you nailed it; that RNC technique was terrible, but nine out of ten movies would have still had him choking that guy out in like 5 seconds, so this scene did indeed show that bad technique is not effective (plus it made sense in context because Bruce’s character had no martial arts training that we’re aware of, as I recall). It probably still would not have worked even at the end, but I guess keeping in mind that this is a super-hero movie and he’s got mad strength, in context it’s a bit better. 7/10 for scene, plus 2 for no MA tag, but again the movie was just generic background stuff that added nothing. Total 9/10 for the unorthodox and risky “bad technique” submission.
5. @Rickyc123
The Inbetweeners-Jay fights Simon
The fight between Jay and Simon in The Inbetweeners Movie is a good depiction of what a fight between two untrained combatants looks like in real life. It starts off with a with a striking exchange where Jay utilises a good use of head movement to dodge his opponents attack. It then devolves into a grappling match pretty much straight away like most fights do in real life unlike what some movies may show you. Simon and Jay are grappling for dominant position each trying to keep their head higher than their opponent trying to utilise their clinch to the best of their ability. And like most real fights, the combatants gas out right away.
I believe this fight is an accurate depiction of MMA between 2 untrained fighters in real life, it isn't a back and forth slugfest lasting 8 minutes before someome gets the knockout blow like most Hollwood flicks would make you think. Its an attempt at striking (no feints, no guards, no stances) quickly devolving to grappling and then it's over as nobody has the cardio to keep a fight going for longer than 2 minutes in real life.
cmvideo75: LOL funny entry here. The brief fight they do have does show a grappling exchange. Otherwise it is super short and doesn't show much else. But I do like how the write up sells the head position and the fighters gassing lol. Another example where the write up earns an extra point for the clip, otherwise this is probably a 5 or 6 level clip on it's own for the category. 7 score + 2 IMDB + 0 Music = 9 total
webble: I was NOT expecting this and it was brilliant ( off topic fun fact I once rode my horse on the beach past the set of the inbetweeners when they were filming near me ). Again this is another entry where the write up has explained it all perfectly and really added to the clip. I agree technique wise it was awful but totally depicted a realistic scrap you would see, I’m not sure it really counted as mma so another 8 points plus 2 for not being mma total 10 points
Goodcat: Ah yes, the accurate MMA technique of a nut flick lol. This one is more in line with the Bourne clip to where it's just a movie fight. I will give it credit for being an accurate real life fight between skinny white dudes with no training, but IMO, there is nothing even resembling MMA in this. Maybe the head movement at the start, but the "grappling" is just two guys trying to get each other in a headlock but neither one can actually do it. You do at least get the extra 2 ponts. 5 actual and 7/10 with the extra credit.
Brick: Having real trouble talking myself into thinking this is any representation of MMA, with or without technique. The Unbreakable clip, for example, Bruce was definitely trying for an RNC but didn’t know how to really do it so he made it a lot harder on himself; that was at least an MMA technique. This…there really just wasn’t much of anything, a missed punch and then a big hug. You went for it, but it didn’t land for me. 2/10, plus 2 for no MA tag, no points for music, so 4/10.
Total: 30
motives
Itsy Bitsy Tiny Weiner
Lol... I'm starting to think that four-point bonus was a trap.Me after submitting my scores this round:
thedarkwingduck2k11
Well-known member
6. @motives
Warrior-Tommy Silences Gym Bully
Clip starts at 3:00 and Ends at 6:00
My pick for this category is Tommy silencing the gym from the 2011 movie"Warrior". A movie with fight choreography that had a look like gritty gym footage and a director dedicated to keeping the scenes grounded and realistic. The stunt coordination team led by JJ Perry from 87 Eleven Action Studio went on to lead stunt production on The Fate of the Furious, John Wick 2 and 2019's Hobbs & Shaw. The scene shows Tommy utilizing a highly aggressive style of MMA mixing muay thai teep kicks and clinch work with freestyle wrestling and throws Incorporated in. Their is a short sequence where Tommy is bobbing and weaving inside" Mad Dogs" wheelhouse like a boxer before finishing "Mad Dog" with some brutal muay thai clinch work in the corner. I wonder if the stunt team was watching tapes on Robbie Lawler as Tommy's style was reminiscent of the Ruthless one. And did a fair job of displaying MMA in a film.
Thanks for all your time. I hope you like the clip.
cmvideo75: Oh... a sneaky good selection based on this being labeled as 'boxing' on IMDB and not MMA. This is strictly MMA techniques in this scene, in an MMA setting. Looks pretty realistic, if a little over aggressive. But I've seen some vicious Muay Thai fights so not that inaccurate. 10 score + 2 IMDB + 0 Music = 12 total
webble: Thank you to whoever put this one in and for what is most definitely eye candy, also thank you for including the timing on the clip makes it much easier. I’m not sure how much feedback this needs, it speaks for itself, it ticks the boxes for technique, it mixes, it has appropriate gear, what more do you want? 10 points. No extra for music, +2 for not listed as MA genre though 12 points total
Goodcat: I might get roasted for this, but I never actually saw this movie. I know it's blasphemous as an MMA fan to have never seen it, but I'm generally not into any kind of sports movies. That said, this feels like the low hanging fruit for this round. And that's not an insult. When I saw the category, this was the first thing that popped in my head, so I'm sure it was a race to see who submitted this one first. I know all movies are gonna be stylized versions of whatever they are showing, but other than the overhead German Suplex, the striking looked pretty good. And you technically get the +2 since imdb has this listed as Boxing and not Martial Arts, you got lucky on that one lol. 8.5 actual and 10.5 with the extra 2.
Brick: Figured this would show up; I recall at the time that they did a decent job with the MMA choreography in the flick. A bit sensationalized, but I mean hey, it’s a movie. We’ll go 8/10. And, while this sucks, I have to give you the +2 for no MMA tag on imdb because some pencil-neck nerd on that site classified this as “boxing” and not “martial arts” (we checked with DWD for clarity on this rule, and the clear directive was the lack of the specific MA tag gets the two points). No points for music, so 10/10 total.
Total: 44.5
7. @Tito Orcheese
Born a Champion - Mickey vs Marco
Addressing the bonus points for this round first.
If the points for IMDB tags are being given based off the tags that IMDB actually assigned the film, those would be: action, biography, drama, sport.
As for the score, whether mimicking the pace of basic parts of the fight or cueing you to the shifts of momentum, it succeeded in giving the scene emotional significance. This is most noticeable when Mick has Marco in the triangle (after already being screwed by some shady nonsense) only to have the win snatched, yet again, from his grasp by the bell. The rising music signaled a victory forthcoming for the hero, then it immediately changed to a somber melody as he lay on the mat, beat all to hell, sensing that house and education for his kid slipping through his fingers. Without the score, we don't tap into those feelings as a viewer; instead, we just watch two guys fighting. I believe the score effectively enhanced the scene throughout.
As far as the techniques being accurate as compared to what we would see in a real MMA fight, I thought this clip nailed it, mostly. Obviously, it's a movie, so there are moments where this is not the case. That said, we get some jabs, hooks, leg kicks, flying knees, ground & pound, and plenty of grappling/BJJ. Most of this looks quite a bit more realistic than a lot of MMA content I've seen from other movies. I do apologize for the corny, non-combat scenes mixed into the clip.
cmvideo75: Well this is basically a full MMA fight in a movie. Doesn't really get more MMA than this. It even had a fighter getting a warning in the middle of the round lol. This is also the first entry that has some dramatic music upping the drama and the contestant does a good job pointing out how it adds to the scene. Plus, somehow this movie is labeled as 'sport' on IMDB and not MA. Perfect entry here. 10 score + 2 IMDB + 2 Music = 14 total
webble: I’m not sure how I feel about this one, it was a bit long but there was technique as far as movie technique and the arts were mixed so ok fine 7 points. Here comes the clever part, this SHOULD be an mma genre on imdb but for some reason its not and it gets its 2 points for that. I said on another entry that I want more from the music but this entrant gave a back up to the music and really fought for it so fine you can have points for that too, some how despite not being my favourite this gets 11 points
Goodcat: Another good pick, I've never even heard of this one. But much like the Warrior clip, the fight scenes are pretty realistic. And it's funny that the 2 movies that are literally about the sport of MMA aren't even tagged as Martial Arts. So you get the extra 2 for that. And for the first time, you went out of your way to describe how the music worked along with the scene, so I'm gonna give you the 2 on that one as well. 8 actual but 12 with the double bonus
Brick: Well, you had me pretty solidly for the first half of the clip. Pretty decent technique, pretty gritty fight, not much flash. Most if not all of the stuff you might see in a real MMA fight. But then…that last round. Ugh. He fights a guy while stone blind…and wins? His corner sends him out there not able to see at all? Dafuq is this, Bloodsport? No, just no. If you had stopped your clip submission before that last bit of nonsense, you would have had a really good pick here. I was going to go 8/10, but then the second half was 2/10 (some of the technique was still pretty good despite the blindness bullshit), so we’ll average to 5/10 for the scene itself. Bizarrely, also no MA tag on imdb despite the entire description right below the tag being about MMA; but, them’s the rules as we specifically clarified with DWD, so +2 for that. I tend to agree with your write-up on the music, this was the first clip where I felt that the music contributed anything at all, so that’s +2. You managed to game-play your way into a 9/10 somehow on a scene I kinda hated because of good exploitation of rules/loopholes.
Total:46
8. @Holeydel
Gangs of New York-Vallon vs McGloin
The 2002 Martin Scorsese epic Gangs of New York is up next for you guys, focusing on the bar fight between Amsterdam Vallon and member of The Natives gang, McGloin. I’ve broken this write up into phases which aims to break down the balance between realism and mixed martial arts within the scene and how much gets packed into a short clip. Before we begin though, I’ve got to highlight the genius move by Scorsese to not simply add music to the scene but to take a second to pan the camera to a musician sitting in the bar who performs a cheerful melody for our combatants to dance to.
Phase one: The stand off
No fighting to break down in this one, just the realism aspect. A conversation sets the grounds for this battle, a conversation where neither man wants to lose face in front of others by allowing to be insulted or intimidated by another. If no man backs down or with no one to separate them, the result is generally an agreement to settle their differences by fighting.
Phase two: Bare knuckle boxing
As Vallon and McGloin square off, they both adopt the classic bare knuckle boxing posture and begin to fight. Scorcese puts emphasis on having the fighters throw body shots, which was a common technique in bare knuckle boxing as a means to inflict damage whilst protecting the hands from injury against the constant throwing shots to the skull. Like many street fights, our combatants may look good at the beginning, but the fight quickly gets messy as Vallon is thrown against a wall.
Phase three: Muay Thai
Body locking and grappling were all fair play in 19th century bare knuckle boxing. With Vallon pressed against the wall, McGloin throws a couple of knees to Vallons legs and even manages to get in a foot stomp. In reality this Muay Thai technique was used to cause distraction and a shift in position, much like modern MMA, so admittedly the scene here is taking a liberty with these techniques and its effectiveness in regards to a bar fight but fortunately doesn’t dwell on it for long as the fight moves onto its next phase, the ground.
Phase 4: Jiu Jitsu
In street fights, a large number unintentionally end up with both fighters on the deck. Vallon manages to push Vallon down following a headbutt, who himself gets dragged down as McGloin falls. Jiu jitsu comes next as Vallon takes McGloins back, rolls him over with his hooks in and applies a rear naked choke. The fight soon ends with a fish hook, thus completing the journey from perfect boxing form to begin the battle to outright dirty fighting to end it. The average street fight according to AI lasts anywhere between 20-60 seconds, with this one falling into this category at bang on 60.
cmvideo75: A good entry for the category. Multiple techniques being shown here and the contestant does a good job explaining them. The fight itself, especially the striking, looked kind of fake in several spots though. But a good variety of MA techniques gets this a good score. 8 score + 2 IMDB + 0 Music = 10 total
webble: Well this was quite the right up thank you and great film choice. The fight scene felt a bit choreographed but maybe that’s a reflection on the acting and I think there should have been more damage from them hitting the deck, the RNC wasn’t really quite right but when is technique perfect it a fight, the arts were mixed 7 points. The genre isn’t mma and again the writer fought for his music so I will give it total 11 points
Goodcat: One of my favorite movies of all time. And overall while I feel like this is another regular old movie fight, there is at least a little bit of what would be considered MMA. In context of the movie, MMA as we know it didn't even exist, so this kinda stuff would probably have been about as close as it gets. And there's obviously no martial arts tag on it, so you get the extra 2 points. 7 actual and 9 with the bonus
Brick: I was skeptical when I first saw this on the list, but I think you pulled it off. Key word again being “accurate” and I think this fits. Starting with the ridiculous old-timey boxing stance which they certainly would have done at the time. Then things getting ugly, and even Vallon’s RNC had fairly terrible technique, which again you would expect for the time. I could see an actual fight at the time going pretty much like this. 7.5/10 for the accuracy of the fight, +2 for no Martial Arts imdb tag, but I didn’t feel like the music really did much for the scene and was very quiet and not a factor really with the action. Total 9.5/10.
Total: 39.5
9. @Eranys
Sherlock Holmes-Bare Knuckle Pit Fight
My selection for this round is from the 2009 Sherlock Holmes movie. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle explicitly wrote that Sherlock Holmes was a master of "Baritsu" (a misspelling of Bartitsu), a real world, turn of the century hybrid martial art developed in England by Edward William Barton-Wright. Bartitsu combined European boxing, savate, Swiss wrestling, and Japanese Jujitsu.
The scene demonstrates genuine mixed martial arts principles through the historical lens of Bartitsu, seamlessly blending French Savate low kicks to compromise the opponent’s mobility, traditional Bare Knuckle Boxing body shots, a dirty boxing clinch to control posture, and a simultaneous Wing Chun parry and strike sequence that mirrors the close quarters efficiency of Okinawan Karate. By using slow motion internal monologue to anatomically dissect the opponent's weaknesses, the scene treats combat as a calculated science utilizing a distinct mix of striking, hand fighting, and clinching disciplines that directly mirror the tactical versatility that is the hallmark of modern MMA.
cmvideo75: A good entry here too. It's mainly striking techniques though and not many other aspects of MMA shown. But I do like the slow motion with the narrator planning his attack in his head, then executing it. 8 score + 2 IMDB + 0 Music = 10 total
webble: thank you for the education re Holmes background, I didn’t know that and it was interesting, it also backed up the entry. I think this one was pretty simple, it narrates you through each move, its technique, purpose and the outcome and the setting was an underground boxing pit so ticks that box too 7 points Not mma genre plus 2 no soundtrack BUT the cheeky little jingle at the end was fab so I am giving it 1 point for that total 10 points
Goodcat: solid pick for sure. this is also kinda like the Gangs Of New York one where MMA didn't exist, so being trained in multiple different disciplines was as close to it as we were gonna get. I love the slow mo sequence of him playing it out in his mind before the fight starts, and then implementing that gameplan when the fight started. another example of MMA that might be overlooked in favor of the actual fighting. 7.5 actual and 9.5 with the extra 2
Brick: Very little accurate here. This was more of some Bourne-type bullshit. How many MMA fights have you seen with a 10-second sequence of perfect strikes/counter/broken bones/ruptured organs like this? Pro tip: zero. The answer is zero. This was pure Hollywood fight tripe, nothing accurate. 2.5/10 for the “accuracy” of the fight, +2 for no martial arts tag, no points for music, total of 4.5/10.
Total: 34
10. @TheIronSheik
Total Recall-Lori vs Melina
See above and below.
Best MMA movie scene. A cat fight. A raunchy, estrogen fueled fight to the death. The walls are moist. You FEEL it. But then you’re like:
Hey. These chicks can fight.
There’s Muay Thai, Jujitsu throws, and some David Carradine elbows just to demonstrate a well rounded martial arts practice. It flows. And there hot. They’re even doing it in platforms. Nothing like this feels like a cat fight.
But then you see it coming…
Hair pulling. Right back to the shameless basics. It was a cat fight after all. You want to look away. You know it only gets ugly from here. And it does.
She goes for the knife. Now it’s not an MMA scene. It’s about to get even uglier.
But wait. There’s hope.
A well placed ping to the weapon makes them behave. In the real world, this is the hose down these two cats get for fighting in a man’s yard that was just brave enough to say:
I’ve had enough.
A hero.
In this movie, that hero is Doug. Doug was played by Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Arnold Schwarzenegger went on to be a governor. It ends with giving back. The hero’s journey. Best MMA movie scene of all time.
cmvideo75: Classic movie. I love it. It has some karate techniques, some judo tosses... it qualifies. I don't think this is the best demo of MMA in a movie but it gets a bonus point because this was before MMA was really a thing that movies tried to emulate. I also enjoy the dramatic 80's music framing the fight. Definitely adds some suspense. 8 score + 2 IMDB + 2 Music = 12 total
webble: Erm I feel like this was not chosen entirely for its mma technique but more for the women and the opportunity it gave the writer who wrote about this with a passion I’m not sure it really deserved. The acting wasn’t good and it felt very fight by numbers but there was striking and grappling I will give it that and the punch blocking was correct. I honestly don’t know what to do with this one, the clip wasn’t great but the writer has a real way with words and charmed it I will go with 7 plus 2 points for not being mma total 9 points
Goodcat: Right off the bat I will say that I'm giving this a bump just due to the write up. It does kinda come off as AI-ish, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt because there are some Junkies that have some good creative writing skills. With that out of the way, the fight scene is again, just kind of a movie fight scene. We've got weapons at the beginning and the end, terrible punches, a forearm to the small of the back, etc. There was the 1 judo hip toss, so that counts for something. +2 for the imb tag.
6 actual and 8 with the bonus
Brick: Your depiction of accurate MMA starts with someone kicking an uzi out of someone else’s hands? Ugh. Then like half the strikes are “spinning shit” or kicks to the head. Right, just like every MMA fight I’ve ever seen, lol. The sequence at 0:20 might have been the most laughable; brunette was what, trying to choke her from the front and blondie smacks her hands away or something? Then it ends with someone shooting a knife out of someone’s hands…OK then. Hot AF yes. Accurate, no. 2/10, +2 for no martial arts tag, no points for the cheezy-ass 80s fight music for a total of 4/10.
Total: 33
Warrior-Tommy Silences Gym Bully
Clip starts at 3:00 and Ends at 6:00
Thanks for all your time. I hope you like the clip.
cmvideo75: Oh... a sneaky good selection based on this being labeled as 'boxing' on IMDB and not MMA. This is strictly MMA techniques in this scene, in an MMA setting. Looks pretty realistic, if a little over aggressive. But I've seen some vicious Muay Thai fights so not that inaccurate. 10 score + 2 IMDB + 0 Music = 12 total
webble: Thank you to whoever put this one in and for what is most definitely eye candy, also thank you for including the timing on the clip makes it much easier. I’m not sure how much feedback this needs, it speaks for itself, it ticks the boxes for technique, it mixes, it has appropriate gear, what more do you want? 10 points. No extra for music, +2 for not listed as MA genre though 12 points total
Goodcat: I might get roasted for this, but I never actually saw this movie. I know it's blasphemous as an MMA fan to have never seen it, but I'm generally not into any kind of sports movies. That said, this feels like the low hanging fruit for this round. And that's not an insult. When I saw the category, this was the first thing that popped in my head, so I'm sure it was a race to see who submitted this one first. I know all movies are gonna be stylized versions of whatever they are showing, but other than the overhead German Suplex, the striking looked pretty good. And you technically get the +2 since imdb has this listed as Boxing and not Martial Arts, you got lucky on that one lol. 8.5 actual and 10.5 with the extra 2.
Brick: Figured this would show up; I recall at the time that they did a decent job with the MMA choreography in the flick. A bit sensationalized, but I mean hey, it’s a movie. We’ll go 8/10. And, while this sucks, I have to give you the +2 for no MMA tag on imdb because some pencil-neck nerd on that site classified this as “boxing” and not “martial arts” (we checked with DWD for clarity on this rule, and the clear directive was the lack of the specific MA tag gets the two points). No points for music, so 10/10 total.
Total: 44.5
7. @Tito Orcheese
Born a Champion - Mickey vs Marco
Addressing the bonus points for this round first.
If the points for IMDB tags are being given based off the tags that IMDB actually assigned the film, those would be: action, biography, drama, sport.
As for the score, whether mimicking the pace of basic parts of the fight or cueing you to the shifts of momentum, it succeeded in giving the scene emotional significance. This is most noticeable when Mick has Marco in the triangle (after already being screwed by some shady nonsense) only to have the win snatched, yet again, from his grasp by the bell. The rising music signaled a victory forthcoming for the hero, then it immediately changed to a somber melody as he lay on the mat, beat all to hell, sensing that house and education for his kid slipping through his fingers. Without the score, we don't tap into those feelings as a viewer; instead, we just watch two guys fighting. I believe the score effectively enhanced the scene throughout.
As far as the techniques being accurate as compared to what we would see in a real MMA fight, I thought this clip nailed it, mostly. Obviously, it's a movie, so there are moments where this is not the case. That said, we get some jabs, hooks, leg kicks, flying knees, ground & pound, and plenty of grappling/BJJ. Most of this looks quite a bit more realistic than a lot of MMA content I've seen from other movies. I do apologize for the corny, non-combat scenes mixed into the clip.
cmvideo75: Well this is basically a full MMA fight in a movie. Doesn't really get more MMA than this. It even had a fighter getting a warning in the middle of the round lol. This is also the first entry that has some dramatic music upping the drama and the contestant does a good job pointing out how it adds to the scene. Plus, somehow this movie is labeled as 'sport' on IMDB and not MA. Perfect entry here. 10 score + 2 IMDB + 2 Music = 14 total
webble: I’m not sure how I feel about this one, it was a bit long but there was technique as far as movie technique and the arts were mixed so ok fine 7 points. Here comes the clever part, this SHOULD be an mma genre on imdb but for some reason its not and it gets its 2 points for that. I said on another entry that I want more from the music but this entrant gave a back up to the music and really fought for it so fine you can have points for that too, some how despite not being my favourite this gets 11 points
Goodcat: Another good pick, I've never even heard of this one. But much like the Warrior clip, the fight scenes are pretty realistic. And it's funny that the 2 movies that are literally about the sport of MMA aren't even tagged as Martial Arts. So you get the extra 2 for that. And for the first time, you went out of your way to describe how the music worked along with the scene, so I'm gonna give you the 2 on that one as well. 8 actual but 12 with the double bonus
Brick: Well, you had me pretty solidly for the first half of the clip. Pretty decent technique, pretty gritty fight, not much flash. Most if not all of the stuff you might see in a real MMA fight. But then…that last round. Ugh. He fights a guy while stone blind…and wins? His corner sends him out there not able to see at all? Dafuq is this, Bloodsport? No, just no. If you had stopped your clip submission before that last bit of nonsense, you would have had a really good pick here. I was going to go 8/10, but then the second half was 2/10 (some of the technique was still pretty good despite the blindness bullshit), so we’ll average to 5/10 for the scene itself. Bizarrely, also no MA tag on imdb despite the entire description right below the tag being about MMA; but, them’s the rules as we specifically clarified with DWD, so +2 for that. I tend to agree with your write-up on the music, this was the first clip where I felt that the music contributed anything at all, so that’s +2. You managed to game-play your way into a 9/10 somehow on a scene I kinda hated because of good exploitation of rules/loopholes.
Total:46
8. @Holeydel
Gangs of New York-Vallon vs McGloin
The 2002 Martin Scorsese epic Gangs of New York is up next for you guys, focusing on the bar fight between Amsterdam Vallon and member of The Natives gang, McGloin. I’ve broken this write up into phases which aims to break down the balance between realism and mixed martial arts within the scene and how much gets packed into a short clip. Before we begin though, I’ve got to highlight the genius move by Scorsese to not simply add music to the scene but to take a second to pan the camera to a musician sitting in the bar who performs a cheerful melody for our combatants to dance to.
Phase one: The stand off
No fighting to break down in this one, just the realism aspect. A conversation sets the grounds for this battle, a conversation where neither man wants to lose face in front of others by allowing to be insulted or intimidated by another. If no man backs down or with no one to separate them, the result is generally an agreement to settle their differences by fighting.
Phase two: Bare knuckle boxing
As Vallon and McGloin square off, they both adopt the classic bare knuckle boxing posture and begin to fight. Scorcese puts emphasis on having the fighters throw body shots, which was a common technique in bare knuckle boxing as a means to inflict damage whilst protecting the hands from injury against the constant throwing shots to the skull. Like many street fights, our combatants may look good at the beginning, but the fight quickly gets messy as Vallon is thrown against a wall.
Phase three: Muay Thai
Body locking and grappling were all fair play in 19th century bare knuckle boxing. With Vallon pressed against the wall, McGloin throws a couple of knees to Vallons legs and even manages to get in a foot stomp. In reality this Muay Thai technique was used to cause distraction and a shift in position, much like modern MMA, so admittedly the scene here is taking a liberty with these techniques and its effectiveness in regards to a bar fight but fortunately doesn’t dwell on it for long as the fight moves onto its next phase, the ground.
Phase 4: Jiu Jitsu
In street fights, a large number unintentionally end up with both fighters on the deck. Vallon manages to push Vallon down following a headbutt, who himself gets dragged down as McGloin falls. Jiu jitsu comes next as Vallon takes McGloins back, rolls him over with his hooks in and applies a rear naked choke. The fight soon ends with a fish hook, thus completing the journey from perfect boxing form to begin the battle to outright dirty fighting to end it. The average street fight according to AI lasts anywhere between 20-60 seconds, with this one falling into this category at bang on 60.
cmvideo75: A good entry for the category. Multiple techniques being shown here and the contestant does a good job explaining them. The fight itself, especially the striking, looked kind of fake in several spots though. But a good variety of MA techniques gets this a good score. 8 score + 2 IMDB + 0 Music = 10 total
webble: Well this was quite the right up thank you and great film choice. The fight scene felt a bit choreographed but maybe that’s a reflection on the acting and I think there should have been more damage from them hitting the deck, the RNC wasn’t really quite right but when is technique perfect it a fight, the arts were mixed 7 points. The genre isn’t mma and again the writer fought for his music so I will give it total 11 points
Goodcat: One of my favorite movies of all time. And overall while I feel like this is another regular old movie fight, there is at least a little bit of what would be considered MMA. In context of the movie, MMA as we know it didn't even exist, so this kinda stuff would probably have been about as close as it gets. And there's obviously no martial arts tag on it, so you get the extra 2 points. 7 actual and 9 with the bonus
Brick: I was skeptical when I first saw this on the list, but I think you pulled it off. Key word again being “accurate” and I think this fits. Starting with the ridiculous old-timey boxing stance which they certainly would have done at the time. Then things getting ugly, and even Vallon’s RNC had fairly terrible technique, which again you would expect for the time. I could see an actual fight at the time going pretty much like this. 7.5/10 for the accuracy of the fight, +2 for no Martial Arts imdb tag, but I didn’t feel like the music really did much for the scene and was very quiet and not a factor really with the action. Total 9.5/10.
Total: 39.5
9. @Eranys
Sherlock Holmes-Bare Knuckle Pit Fight
The scene demonstrates genuine mixed martial arts principles through the historical lens of Bartitsu, seamlessly blending French Savate low kicks to compromise the opponent’s mobility, traditional Bare Knuckle Boxing body shots, a dirty boxing clinch to control posture, and a simultaneous Wing Chun parry and strike sequence that mirrors the close quarters efficiency of Okinawan Karate. By using slow motion internal monologue to anatomically dissect the opponent's weaknesses, the scene treats combat as a calculated science utilizing a distinct mix of striking, hand fighting, and clinching disciplines that directly mirror the tactical versatility that is the hallmark of modern MMA.
cmvideo75: A good entry here too. It's mainly striking techniques though and not many other aspects of MMA shown. But I do like the slow motion with the narrator planning his attack in his head, then executing it. 8 score + 2 IMDB + 0 Music = 10 total
webble: thank you for the education re Holmes background, I didn’t know that and it was interesting, it also backed up the entry. I think this one was pretty simple, it narrates you through each move, its technique, purpose and the outcome and the setting was an underground boxing pit so ticks that box too 7 points Not mma genre plus 2 no soundtrack BUT the cheeky little jingle at the end was fab so I am giving it 1 point for that total 10 points
Goodcat: solid pick for sure. this is also kinda like the Gangs Of New York one where MMA didn't exist, so being trained in multiple different disciplines was as close to it as we were gonna get. I love the slow mo sequence of him playing it out in his mind before the fight starts, and then implementing that gameplan when the fight started. another example of MMA that might be overlooked in favor of the actual fighting. 7.5 actual and 9.5 with the extra 2
Brick: Very little accurate here. This was more of some Bourne-type bullshit. How many MMA fights have you seen with a 10-second sequence of perfect strikes/counter/broken bones/ruptured organs like this? Pro tip: zero. The answer is zero. This was pure Hollywood fight tripe, nothing accurate. 2.5/10 for the “accuracy” of the fight, +2 for no martial arts tag, no points for music, total of 4.5/10.
Total: 34
10. @TheIronSheik
Total Recall-Lori vs Melina
See above and below.
Best MMA movie scene. A cat fight. A raunchy, estrogen fueled fight to the death. The walls are moist. You FEEL it. But then you’re like:
Hey. These chicks can fight.
There’s Muay Thai, Jujitsu throws, and some David Carradine elbows just to demonstrate a well rounded martial arts practice. It flows. And there hot. They’re even doing it in platforms. Nothing like this feels like a cat fight.
But then you see it coming…
Hair pulling. Right back to the shameless basics. It was a cat fight after all. You want to look away. You know it only gets ugly from here. And it does.
She goes for the knife. Now it’s not an MMA scene. It’s about to get even uglier.
But wait. There’s hope.
A well placed ping to the weapon makes them behave. In the real world, this is the hose down these two cats get for fighting in a man’s yard that was just brave enough to say:
I’ve had enough.
A hero.
In this movie, that hero is Doug. Doug was played by Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Arnold Schwarzenegger went on to be a governor. It ends with giving back. The hero’s journey. Best MMA movie scene of all time.
cmvideo75: Classic movie. I love it. It has some karate techniques, some judo tosses... it qualifies. I don't think this is the best demo of MMA in a movie but it gets a bonus point because this was before MMA was really a thing that movies tried to emulate. I also enjoy the dramatic 80's music framing the fight. Definitely adds some suspense. 8 score + 2 IMDB + 2 Music = 12 total
webble: Erm I feel like this was not chosen entirely for its mma technique but more for the women and the opportunity it gave the writer who wrote about this with a passion I’m not sure it really deserved. The acting wasn’t good and it felt very fight by numbers but there was striking and grappling I will give it that and the punch blocking was correct. I honestly don’t know what to do with this one, the clip wasn’t great but the writer has a real way with words and charmed it I will go with 7 plus 2 points for not being mma total 9 points
Goodcat: Right off the bat I will say that I'm giving this a bump just due to the write up. It does kinda come off as AI-ish, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt because there are some Junkies that have some good creative writing skills. With that out of the way, the fight scene is again, just kind of a movie fight scene. We've got weapons at the beginning and the end, terrible punches, a forearm to the small of the back, etc. There was the 1 judo hip toss, so that counts for something. +2 for the imb tag.
6 actual and 8 with the bonus
Brick: Your depiction of accurate MMA starts with someone kicking an uzi out of someone else’s hands? Ugh. Then like half the strikes are “spinning shit” or kicks to the head. Right, just like every MMA fight I’ve ever seen, lol. The sequence at 0:20 might have been the most laughable; brunette was what, trying to choke her from the front and blondie smacks her hands away or something? Then it ends with someone shooting a knife out of someone’s hands…OK then. Hot AF yes. Accurate, no. 2/10, +2 for no martial arts tag, no points for the cheezy-ass 80s fight music for a total of 4/10.
Total: 33
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11. @Rhino78
Haywire-Hotel Room Fight
The scene is from Haywire, the action thriller directed by Steven Soderbergh. The scene features real life MMA (retired) star Gina Carano making her film debut fighting against Michael Fassbender. This scene is known for its realistic depiction of fighting and various uses of fighting styles, better known as Mixed Martial Arts.
Let's break it down. 47 secs in, Fassbender goes for a RNC palm 2 palm style. At 1:03, he tries it again, but is unsuccessful. At 1:17, Gina hits a beautiful judo hip toss and at 1:34 she goes for an arm in guillotine. From there Gina transitions into some good body shots, followed by a solid knee to the ribs, and a very technical leg kick, transitions to a wrist lock, to a front kick to a standard muay thai fighting stance followed by another front kick.
After a crash into the bedroom, Fassbender goes for a double leg and picks her up for a slam, which Gina transitions into a beautiful triangle choke. Fassbender even tries to tap, but Gina isn’t having it. After they fall to the ground, Gina gets full mount and ends the fight with some solid GNP and a gun blast to the face.
As you can see, this scene features a plethora of MMA styles, BJJ, Muay Thai, Judo, Aikido, Wrestling, Kickboxing and at the very end, Thug-jitsu. This scene definitely has the most accurate depiction of MMA technique on film.
cmvideo75: Nice. Gina kicking ass is always welcome. And of course she is going to have excellent MMA technique. Lots on display here from both fighters. No music bonus. And IMDB was borderline.... they have this listed as GunFu lol. Technically that is not 'martial arts' so I guess the bonus applies here. 9 score + 2 IMDB + 0 Music = 11 total
webble: surprisingly I haven’t seen this film, I looked up the genre in order to perform my judging correctly, wtf is Gun Fu??? The write up for this entry was good and pretty much saved me too much thinking because it did it for me. I’m not sure how accurate it is in that Gina wouldn’t really beat a manas strength does come into play but it ticked a lot of boxes technique wise so I will give it a 7 plus 2 points for gunfu total 9 points
Goodcat: Man, this movie is so terrible. They barely let Gina talk at all, and when she did, they overdubbed her voice cause she was so bad. But that has nothing to do with this clip, which fits all the MMA criteria and shows off her real life skills big time. Not a whole lot to say on this one, it's pretty self explanatory. I like the Gun Fu tag on imdb as well. And you get the +2. 8 actual and 10 with the +2
Brick: Ah, Haywire. The infamous movie where Gina was so bad they had to have another actress redub every single one of her lines in post-production. But I digress, that’s not what we are judging here. Regarding the fight scene; didn’t hate it, didn’t love it. Technique was on, but as you’d expect since Gina was there and could call out any total bullshit. But still a bit 70s-Kung-Fu movies in certain spots with all the perfect blocks and rapid-fire exchanges, which you don’t see in real MMA. We’ll go 6.5/10 for the fight itself, and looks like you get the +2 for no MMA tag, but nothing for music, so 8.5/10.
Total: 38.5
12. @bconcrete
Lethal Weapon- the end of Riggs vs. Mr. Joshua
So we're clear, we're not talking the whole scene. It starts as a fairly typical, exaggerated Hollywood fight scene, but as soon as Riggs stops getting drowned in the puddle, it goes full MMA, which is what we're talking about.
It's all how real MMA (not necessarily high level, but real) would go: Riggs comes up into tech mount, goes for an armbar (questionable at best fight IQ, it's raining and the opponent is soaking wet and slippery), and gets reversed. Mr. Joshua is now in Riggs' guard, begins aggressively attacking. We now see Riggs take a punch, grab and control the wrist, stuff the hand, and lock up a textbook(ish) triangle choke for the finish.
You can find a sequence like that on any amateur MMA card you go to, almost guaranteed.
cmvideo75: Oh man... the bonuses help out this one a good deal. The fight itself was just ok... it was short and showed 2 submission attempts. But I did like how the clip queued right up to the exact point in the fight that the contestant mentioned. And there is a good breakdown of the techniques in the clip in the write up. 8 score + 2 IMDB + 2 Music + 12 total
webble: I’m not sure if this was submitted as an example of mma technique or lack of mma technique, it kind of combined the two – like they tried but failed to mma. I’m not entirely sure if the writer is sure either. I love the fact that the imdb genre tags include holiday, but crucially not mma so 2 points for that plus 7 points for the submission 9 points total
Goodcat: I was prepared to kill this one, but it surprisingly did have some good MMA techniques in there at the end. So definitely kudos on finding that one. I like the one dude yelling out "break his fucking neck!" while he has the triangle choke locked in. Which, I guess with enough force you could potentially do that, but it's obviously not what that maneuver is for. But, good clip and you get the 2 extra points as well. 7 actual and 9 with the bonus
Brick: Well, good thing you clarified and clipped it down to just the “MMA” part at the end, because the entire fight was Hollywood wacky. This entry was middle of the road; a few MMA techniques but that was it. Putting it just below the also-quick “landman” fight just because that one seemed a bit more realistic. 7 points for the fight, +2 for no MMA tag, but nothing for bad music. Total 9/10.
Total: 39
13. @FunnyHoneyBunny
Wheels on Meals-Jackie Chan vs Benny Urquidez
No idea if it has any tags or music.. laying in the bed and can't sleep 
Some reasons that speak against this pick:
Obiviously the reaction to any strike is just wrong, but it's Jackie Chan.
Also there are some cuts, that are unnecessary in my eyes, because (shifting into the plus side of this entry)
Benny is a realy fucking fighter and you see it in every second.
There are some movie moves, but his technique is perfect and Jackie does do well.
As opposed to Hollywood who would pick an idiotic actor for that role and cut the face in each scene to get a double in, Jacky (or the producer) knew, that a fighter from the get go is so much smarter.
I thank the judges for the highest points in advance...
cmvideo75: Not a great entry here. Just about every Jackie Chan movie is going to be listed as Martial Arts on IMDB. And the category was 'the most accurate' depiction of MMA. An over the top karate movie fight is not very accurate to real life. It shows some crazy technique but it would never go down in a real fight anything like this. So if we are looking for realism and accuracy here, this isn't it for me. 5 score + 0 IMDB + 0 Music - 5 total
webble: dear writer yes this has tags, the tags include martial arts so no points there. There is no soundtrack just fyi but there is music which kicks in half way through and actually really does add to it so I am giving 2 points for that. The writer came at this with an interesting technique starting by explaining why his choice was a bad one, if you cant sell your chocie then I am not going to, luckily for you it kind of sells itself and is a grower. It has the various techniques you would expect and unlike the writer I like that there was some damage. I don’t know how to score this the clip and write up don’t go together overall I think 8 points plus 2 for the music total 10 points
Goodcat: I don't think this is a bad submission overall. There are definitely some MMA type aspects in it, namely the dude locking up a Thai clinch and throwing a knee when they're up against the dinner table. But the rest of it feels much more like just a regular martial arts movie scene rather than using MMA in a movie. But it does still kind of fall in the same category as Sherlock and Gangs Of NY where MMA in its current form didn't exit. And you missed the +2 for the tag, but I actually did think the music added to the fight, even though it was a total rip off of Beat It. 6 actual but 8 with +2 for music
Brick: If you think this is an accurate depiction of MMA, then you have apparently never seen an MMA fight in your life. Certainly entertaining, but in that non-realistic, silly, over-the-top style we like in this type of movie. Unfortunately for you, you seem to have misread this challenge entirely and submitted just about the least accurate depiction of a fight possible. The dude was stretching/dancing in the middle of the fight, FFS. He escaped a choke hold (if you could even call it that) by tickling the guy. And I don’t even know WTF was supposed to be going on during that final minute or so. Yikes. About as accurate as the Sherlock Holmes and Total Recall entries, so we’ll go with 1.5/10. No bonus because there is a martial arts tag, and no bonus for music, so 1.5/10 is what you get.
Total: 24.5
So here's what our leaderboard looks like after Round 1:
Leaderboard
1. Tito Orcheese=46
2. motives=44.5
3. Holeydel=39.5
4. bconcrete=39
5. MMAFTM13=38.5
5. rhino78=38.5
7. Eranys=34
8. TheIronSheik=33
9. Rickyc123=30
10. smartigan=29.5
11. ABB=29
12. FunnyHoneyBunny=24.5
Tito and motives not only found great scenes for this round but a loophole around the bonus. These two sit comfortably on top on the leaderboard and in good shape to make the final cut. Round 2 will be on Monday Jun 1.
Haywire-Hotel Room Fight
The scene is from Haywire, the action thriller directed by Steven Soderbergh. The scene features real life MMA (retired) star Gina Carano making her film debut fighting against Michael Fassbender. This scene is known for its realistic depiction of fighting and various uses of fighting styles, better known as Mixed Martial Arts.
Let's break it down. 47 secs in, Fassbender goes for a RNC palm 2 palm style. At 1:03, he tries it again, but is unsuccessful. At 1:17, Gina hits a beautiful judo hip toss and at 1:34 she goes for an arm in guillotine. From there Gina transitions into some good body shots, followed by a solid knee to the ribs, and a very technical leg kick, transitions to a wrist lock, to a front kick to a standard muay thai fighting stance followed by another front kick.
After a crash into the bedroom, Fassbender goes for a double leg and picks her up for a slam, which Gina transitions into a beautiful triangle choke. Fassbender even tries to tap, but Gina isn’t having it. After they fall to the ground, Gina gets full mount and ends the fight with some solid GNP and a gun blast to the face.
As you can see, this scene features a plethora of MMA styles, BJJ, Muay Thai, Judo, Aikido, Wrestling, Kickboxing and at the very end, Thug-jitsu. This scene definitely has the most accurate depiction of MMA technique on film.
cmvideo75: Nice. Gina kicking ass is always welcome. And of course she is going to have excellent MMA technique. Lots on display here from both fighters. No music bonus. And IMDB was borderline.... they have this listed as GunFu lol. Technically that is not 'martial arts' so I guess the bonus applies here. 9 score + 2 IMDB + 0 Music = 11 total
webble: surprisingly I haven’t seen this film, I looked up the genre in order to perform my judging correctly, wtf is Gun Fu??? The write up for this entry was good and pretty much saved me too much thinking because it did it for me. I’m not sure how accurate it is in that Gina wouldn’t really beat a manas strength does come into play but it ticked a lot of boxes technique wise so I will give it a 7 plus 2 points for gunfu total 9 points
Goodcat: Man, this movie is so terrible. They barely let Gina talk at all, and when she did, they overdubbed her voice cause she was so bad. But that has nothing to do with this clip, which fits all the MMA criteria and shows off her real life skills big time. Not a whole lot to say on this one, it's pretty self explanatory. I like the Gun Fu tag on imdb as well. And you get the +2. 8 actual and 10 with the +2
Brick: Ah, Haywire. The infamous movie where Gina was so bad they had to have another actress redub every single one of her lines in post-production. But I digress, that’s not what we are judging here. Regarding the fight scene; didn’t hate it, didn’t love it. Technique was on, but as you’d expect since Gina was there and could call out any total bullshit. But still a bit 70s-Kung-Fu movies in certain spots with all the perfect blocks and rapid-fire exchanges, which you don’t see in real MMA. We’ll go 6.5/10 for the fight itself, and looks like you get the +2 for no MMA tag, but nothing for music, so 8.5/10.
Total: 38.5
12. @bconcrete
Lethal Weapon- the end of Riggs vs. Mr. Joshua
It's all how real MMA (not necessarily high level, but real) would go: Riggs comes up into tech mount, goes for an armbar (questionable at best fight IQ, it's raining and the opponent is soaking wet and slippery), and gets reversed. Mr. Joshua is now in Riggs' guard, begins aggressively attacking. We now see Riggs take a punch, grab and control the wrist, stuff the hand, and lock up a textbook(ish) triangle choke for the finish.
You can find a sequence like that on any amateur MMA card you go to, almost guaranteed.
cmvideo75: Oh man... the bonuses help out this one a good deal. The fight itself was just ok... it was short and showed 2 submission attempts. But I did like how the clip queued right up to the exact point in the fight that the contestant mentioned. And there is a good breakdown of the techniques in the clip in the write up. 8 score + 2 IMDB + 2 Music + 12 total
webble: I’m not sure if this was submitted as an example of mma technique or lack of mma technique, it kind of combined the two – like they tried but failed to mma. I’m not entirely sure if the writer is sure either. I love the fact that the imdb genre tags include holiday, but crucially not mma so 2 points for that plus 7 points for the submission 9 points total
Goodcat: I was prepared to kill this one, but it surprisingly did have some good MMA techniques in there at the end. So definitely kudos on finding that one. I like the one dude yelling out "break his fucking neck!" while he has the triangle choke locked in. Which, I guess with enough force you could potentially do that, but it's obviously not what that maneuver is for. But, good clip and you get the 2 extra points as well. 7 actual and 9 with the bonus
Brick: Well, good thing you clarified and clipped it down to just the “MMA” part at the end, because the entire fight was Hollywood wacky. This entry was middle of the road; a few MMA techniques but that was it. Putting it just below the also-quick “landman” fight just because that one seemed a bit more realistic. 7 points for the fight, +2 for no MMA tag, but nothing for bad music. Total 9/10.
Total: 39
13. @FunnyHoneyBunny
Wheels on Meals-Jackie Chan vs Benny Urquidez
Some reasons that speak against this pick:
Obiviously the reaction to any strike is just wrong, but it's Jackie Chan.
Also there are some cuts, that are unnecessary in my eyes, because (shifting into the plus side of this entry)
Benny is a realy fucking fighter and you see it in every second.
There are some movie moves, but his technique is perfect and Jackie does do well.
As opposed to Hollywood who would pick an idiotic actor for that role and cut the face in each scene to get a double in, Jacky (or the producer) knew, that a fighter from the get go is so much smarter.
I thank the judges for the highest points in advance...
cmvideo75: Not a great entry here. Just about every Jackie Chan movie is going to be listed as Martial Arts on IMDB. And the category was 'the most accurate' depiction of MMA. An over the top karate movie fight is not very accurate to real life. It shows some crazy technique but it would never go down in a real fight anything like this. So if we are looking for realism and accuracy here, this isn't it for me. 5 score + 0 IMDB + 0 Music - 5 total
webble: dear writer yes this has tags, the tags include martial arts so no points there. There is no soundtrack just fyi but there is music which kicks in half way through and actually really does add to it so I am giving 2 points for that. The writer came at this with an interesting technique starting by explaining why his choice was a bad one, if you cant sell your chocie then I am not going to, luckily for you it kind of sells itself and is a grower. It has the various techniques you would expect and unlike the writer I like that there was some damage. I don’t know how to score this the clip and write up don’t go together overall I think 8 points plus 2 for the music total 10 points
Goodcat: I don't think this is a bad submission overall. There are definitely some MMA type aspects in it, namely the dude locking up a Thai clinch and throwing a knee when they're up against the dinner table. But the rest of it feels much more like just a regular martial arts movie scene rather than using MMA in a movie. But it does still kind of fall in the same category as Sherlock and Gangs Of NY where MMA in its current form didn't exit. And you missed the +2 for the tag, but I actually did think the music added to the fight, even though it was a total rip off of Beat It. 6 actual but 8 with +2 for music
Brick: If you think this is an accurate depiction of MMA, then you have apparently never seen an MMA fight in your life. Certainly entertaining, but in that non-realistic, silly, over-the-top style we like in this type of movie. Unfortunately for you, you seem to have misread this challenge entirely and submitted just about the least accurate depiction of a fight possible. The dude was stretching/dancing in the middle of the fight, FFS. He escaped a choke hold (if you could even call it that) by tickling the guy. And I don’t even know WTF was supposed to be going on during that final minute or so. Yikes. About as accurate as the Sherlock Holmes and Total Recall entries, so we’ll go with 1.5/10. No bonus because there is a martial arts tag, and no bonus for music, so 1.5/10 is what you get.
Total: 24.5
So here's what our leaderboard looks like after Round 1:
Leaderboard
1. Tito Orcheese=46
2. motives=44.5
3. Holeydel=39.5
4. bconcrete=39
5. MMAFTM13=38.5
5. rhino78=38.5
7. Eranys=34
8. TheIronSheik=33
9. Rickyc123=30
10. smartigan=29.5
11. ABB=29
12. FunnyHoneyBunny=24.5
Tito and motives not only found great scenes for this round but a loophole around the bonus. These two sit comfortably on top on the leaderboard and in good shape to make the final cut. Round 2 will be on Monday Jun 1.
Tito Orcheese
MTM Junkie Idol Jesus
Tito Orcheese
MTM Junkie Idol Jesus
I actually guessed this was your entry
Tito Orcheese
MTM Junkie Idol Jesus
I'm flattered, but you were thinking of "Christmas Idol" Tito, and he doesn't live here anymore
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McJesus is back
Tito Orcheese
MTM Junkie Idol Jesus
Brick was far too narrow in his criteria, in my opinion. Nothing in the description of the category said anything about modern MMA, or even what type of MMA at all. Bartitsu was absolutely a Mixed Martial Art, and was pretty advanced for its time.
Doyle's depiction in his books was a very accurate description of Bartitsu, which is, by definition, a Mixed Martial Art. Nothing in the category description said this had to include chokes or armbars.
@goodcat1337 for your most excellent judging in this round, I will not mention your ....previous judging again.
Doyle's depiction in his books was a very accurate description of Bartitsu, which is, by definition, a Mixed Martial Art. Nothing in the category description said this had to include chokes or armbars.
@goodcat1337 for your most excellent judging in this round, I will not mention your ....previous judging again.
That's going to be an issue for FHB. Very distinctive typing habits due to the language.
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Dispose of the kraut!